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date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 08:03:21 -0600
from: Tom Wigley <>
subject: Re: RAE - esteem
to: Phil Jones <>

Hi Phil,

The H-index is quite a neat idea. For you, I did it two different ways.
It is possible to select institutions, although this is limited to selecting
50. So I went down the list (which is in order of numbers of papers)
and simply did not select ones that I thought could not be you (e.g.
medical places) until I hit 50. This still left a number that were probably
you, so the implied index would be based on an incomplete set of papers
(although it would have got almost all). This gave me the same number
as a "raw" estimate.

I did check that dividing the number of cites by the number of papers
gives the same average as ISI. I've not looked at Scholar -- but I did look
at this a few years ago and thought it was incomplete.

It is possible to include reports and book chapters, but I can't remember
how to do this. I found out that the Santer et al. MPI report where we were
the first to use multi-model averages has been cited quite a lot. I did this
because I think that this report does not get the credit it deserves --
I still think is the case. Ben feels a bit guilty about being first
author on this,
but it really was a joint effort.

I need to write down my steps when I use Web of Science so I can
remember how to get non-standard results.

Anyhow, I think your estimate of your H-index is too low -- but it is



Phil Jones wrote:

> Tom,
> Back from Sydney yesterday. I have been playing with the H-index
> program on the Web of Science. It is difficult with me and my common
> name.I tried to get rid of the other PD Jones' by restricting the
> journals, but it was a pain to set up. Did you come up
> with a better way?
> I got an H-index of about 50-55. I tried it twice.
> I do have about 200 papers, as I was updating my CV the other week.
> I know that some of these have never been referred to (conf proc.
> etc), so
> I guess I need to come up with a definitive list from my CV. Would this
> help?
> Also the Web of Science has more refs per paper (20-30% more)
> than Google Scholar. Have you come across anything as to why this
> should be?
> Cheers
> Phil
> At 16:33 08/10/2007, you wrote:
>> Andy,
>> I'm attaching my CV which gives some documentation about this.
>> Also, someone recently told me about a thing called the H-index
>> that ISI compiles. This is the number of publications (n) that a
>> person has
>> that have been cited 'n' or more times. Data on this can be accessed
>> on ISI's Web of Science. I made up a Table of people I know or
>> who are in my field, also attached. The bottom part of this is people
>> in my
>> field who are Fellows of the Australian Academy of Science -- I was
>> curious
>> about my fellow countrymen.
>> Getting these data is sometimes tricky when there is more than one
>> person with the same name and initials. Phil Jones is an example --
>> my numbers for him try to account for this. At UEA, I think Phil may
>> be the only person with a better "record" than me.
>> Tom.
>> +++++++++++++++
>> Andrew Jordan wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> I am just editing all the esteems and noted this in yours:
>>> "He is one of the most highly cited scientists in the discipline."
>>> Do you have any chapter and verse that you could send me?
>>> Thanks
>>> Andy
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Professor Andrew J. Jordan
>>> School of Environmental Sciences
>>> University of East Anglia
>>> Norwich
>>> NR4 7TJ
>>> United Kingdom
>>> Tel: (00) (44) (0)1603 592552
>>> Fax: (00) (44) (0)1603 593739
>>> CSERGE website:
>>> Personal website:
>>> Environment and Planning C website:
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Prof. Phil Jones
> Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
> School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
> University of East Anglia
> Norwich Email
> NR4 7TJ
> UK
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------


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