Thursday, January 19, 2012


date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:55:41 +0100
from: "Palmer Dave Mr \(LIB\)" <>
subject: RE: FW: Freedom of Information Act / Environmental Information
to: "Phil Jones" <>, "Mcgarvie Michael Mr \(ACAD\)" <>


Good news re the locations data. I would recommend putting the data on the website as any
further requests could simply be referred to the website itself - in this case, we could
provide the data itself; just from a political point of view, I would rather 'give' the
data directly than 'refuse' under s.21 and point them to a website.

Just spoke to Doug Keenan on the phone and he seems a reasonable chap - I explained that I
had received the below email from you and that the prognosis for his request was positive.
I hope that this might avoid the appeal situation we have with our other 2 requesters.

I have an obligation to try to sort the appeals informally but I'm not sure how to bridge
the gap between us saying the data is on the US websites and the requesters saying that it
isn't! I note that Steve McIntyre in his note to me of 12 March talks about the
identification of the stations for the 1990 study - would the input data files you have for
the 1990 study cover the west Russian, Chinese and Australian networks he requests?

It might be worth meeting next week to discuss anything I could say to McIntyre &
Eschenbach to either (a) satisfy them, or (b) convince them that pursuing an appeal would
be fruitless (assuming it would be!)

Cheers, Dave

From: Phil Jones []
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 3:15 PM
To: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB); Mcgarvie Michael Mr (ACAD)
Subject: Re: FW: Freedom of Information Act / Environmental Information Regulations request
(FOI_07-13 ; EIR_07-03)

I have found all the input data for the paper from 1990. This includes the
locations of the sites and the annual temperature values. If I were to get
someone in CRU to put them on our web site, do you think that would
keep them quiet, or just spur them into more requests?
The 1990 paper data isn't that much, just 6 small files, each of about a half
an A4 page.
My earlier email about the other request (the first one) for all our data still
See the same points below. If you feel another meeting may be useful,
then let me know.
I had a brief exchange with Alan Kendall of ENV, which I didn't find very useful.
1. CRU's monthly mean surface temperature dataset has been constructed
principally from data available on the two websites we informed you about in
early February. Our estimate is that >98% of the CRU data are on these
2. CRU has augmented this dataset with data collected from National
Met Services (NMSs) in many countries of the world. In gaining access to
these NMS data, we have signed agreements with many NMSs not to pass
on the raw station data, but the NMSs concerned are happy for us to use the
data in our gridding, and these station data are included in our gridded
products, which are available from the CRU web site. These NMS
-supplied data may only form a very small percentage of the database, but
we have to express their wishes. The World Meteorological Organization has
a list of all NMSs.
3. We would like to point out here that CRU is doing a service to the
climatological community around the world, by making these and many
other gridded datasets and products available. We are continually being thanked by
scientists around the world (both personally and through acknowledgements
within published papers). All these scientists are happy to use these
gridded products, rather than deal with the raw station data.
4. The CRU data have periodically been sent to NCDC (for inclusion in
GHCN) . GHCN include these by having multiple versions of data for many sites.
5. CRU has made homogeneity adjustments to many station records - see
the most recent discussion in Brohan et al. (2006). Details of the homogeneity
adjustments are given in the two publications from 1985 and 1986. These later
two publications also give the sources of the data we had around those
Brohan, P., Kennedy, J., Harris, I., Tett, S.F.B. and Jones, P.D., 2006: Uncertainty
estimates in regional and global observed temperature changes: a new dataset from 1850.
J. Geophys. Res. 111, D12106, doi:10.1029/2005JD006548.
Jones, P.D., Raper, S.C.B., Santer, B.D., Cherry, B.S.G., Goodess, C.M., Kelly, P.M.,
Wigley, T.M.L., Bradley, R.S. and Diaz, H.F., 1985: A Grid Point Surface Air
Temperature Data Set for the Northern Hemisphere, U.S. Dept. of Energy, Carbon Dioxide
Research Division, Technical Report TRO22, 251 pp.

Jones, P.D., Raper, S.C.B., Cherry, B.S.G., Goodess, C.M. and Wigley, T.M.L., 1986: A
Grid Point Surface Air Temperature Data Set for the Southern Hemisphere, 1851-1984, U.S.
Dept. of Energy, Carbon Dioxide Research Division, Technical Report TR027, 73 pp.
At 19:05 16/03/2007, Palmer Dave Mr \(LIB\) wrote:

A response from our latest requester. I will respond on Sunday noting that the use of
EIR in no way is determinative of the resolution of his request and reinforcing our use
of EIR - we have no option in the matter under s.39 FOIA, and the intention of the
requester is irrelevant.

Cheers, Dave

From: D.J. Keenan [[1]]
Sent: Thu 15/03/2007 22:32
To: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB)
Subject: Re: Freedom of Information Act / Environmental Information Regulations request
(FOI_07-13 ; EIR_07-03)
Dear Mr. Palmer,

My request is to be processed under the FOI, not the EIR; this was made clear in my
application. I ask your office to formally accept or refuse my FOI request as made. If
your office fails in this, I intend file a complaint with the Information Commissioner's

If your office refuses my application on the grounds that the information I requested is
"environmental information", then I ask that the refusal notice identify which part of
the definition of "environmental information" (a-f) you believe applies. This is in
addition to adhering to your other obligations when issuing a refusal notice for an FOI

Douglas J. Keenan

----- Original Message -----
From: [2]Palmer Dave Mr (LIB)
To: [3]
Sent: Thursday, 15 March, 2007 17:13
Subject: Freedom of Information Act / Environmental Information Regulations request
(FOI_07-13 ; EIR_07-03)
Mr. Keenan,
Attached please find a letter acknowledging your request of 12 March 2007. It also
contains further information regarding the handling of this request. I will be in
contact with you further in due course.
Cheers, Dave Palmer
David Palmer
Information Policy Officer
University of East Anglia
Norwich, England

Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email

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