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cc: Rob Allan <rob.allanatXYZxyzoffice.com>, Chris Folland <chris.follandatXYZxyzoffice.gov.uk>, Craig Donlon <craig.donlon@metoffice.com>, Ag Stephens <ag.stephensatXYZxyzoffice.gov.uk>
date: Fri Aug 26 09:06:30 2005
from: Phil Jones <p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk>
subject: Re: FW: Ideas for a European monitoring project
to: "Allan, Rob" <rob.allanatXYZxyzoffice.gov.uk>, "Klein Tank, Albert" <Albert.Klein.TankatXYZxyzi.nl>

Albert, Rob,
A few additional thoughts. Getting DWD involved is good, but we will need
to be careful with numbers. I'll leave Rob to liaise on DARC and you with DLR
and the atmospheric chemistry issue.
Over the next week or two we will likely need to work on the WP
descriptions a little more. I realise this is what you suggested, but I'm
just confirming that.
As for the comments Chris sent yesterday. I agree we need more
substance on a number of the science issues. Here, we need to focus on
what MACE could have provided (if up and running) during the 2003 summer
or during the current summer - in the way of co-ordination and products.
Limited space is a problem within the 15 pages.
Linking to ENSEMBLES is important. I see this more through the data
side than the RCM aspects. ERA-70 is the way forward in the long-term,
but Adrian says this won't be till 2009 at the earliest. This is good for us,
as it gives MACE some chance of influencing the input to it from Europe
at least. ENSEMBLES is developing the high-res daily datasets (for Tx, Tn
and Precip) for two main reasons, 1) for RCM evaluation and 2) for looking
at extremes across the continent. They will be exceedingly useful validation
tool for ERA-70, but this is long-term. Maybe MACE should be proposing
to pick up these high-res data from ENSEMBLES and work towards getting
them into an operational status. This will be vital to much of the CIB work
and the CLTs will help in breaking down barriers to this. In the long-run,
this operational aspect with the high-res grids evolving into being produced
by an on-line ERA-70. ENSEMBLES will look through WP5.4 into the
feasibility of this with ERA-40 from 1979 onwards. To get the lengths of
useful records though we will need the ENSEMBLES high-res grids
and basic station data for assessments back to 1950 and earlier in some
parts of Europe.
The process and the lessons learned in doing this for these three variables
(and the derived ones, of Tmean and DTR) will then provide guidance as to
how the other surface ECVs can be gradually added ( pressure will likely be
the easiest of these, but there is vapour pressure, wind speed/direction and
surface rad budgets as well). This will gradually test to the limit the
capability of ERA-70 and ERA-40 to get these additional ECVs.
So, in summary, I'm suggesting we concentrate links to ENSEMBLES
on the obs data side and just link very loosely to RCM work. Similarly,
any D&A work should be for others to follow up, but using MACE and
ENSEMBLES products.
The attached is a workshop summary put together by Lennart Bengtsson
and many others that will appear in BAMS. This might provide some
background. Many were involved in this (Chris and me in tis email list).
Cheers
Phil


At 15:25 25/08/2005, Allan, Rob wrote:

On Thu, 2005-08-25 at 15:13, Klein Tank, Albert wrote:
> Rob et al.,
>
> I agree with many of the points you discussed at your meeting this morning. But before
bringing in DARC it would be good to have a response of ECMWF because of their GEMS
project which is handling atmospheric chemistry data assimilation in particular. Did you
get a response from Adrian Simmonds already? Also, I am a bit hesitant to bring in too
many UK partners. There are some other potential partners very active in this area, such
as DLR (my KNMI chemistry colleagues are still considering whether or not to participate
in the chemistry part given their involvement in GEOMON).
>
> With respect to being "complementary to satellite data" I have been in contact with
Bruno Rudolf and Martin Wersheck of DWD (see below). It would be interesting to have DWD
not only for their GPCC but also to make the connection to the Climate Monitoring SAF
work. Agree?
>
> Albert.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Werscheck Martin [[1]mailto:Martin.WerscheckatXYZxyz.de]
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:05 PM
> To: Klein Tank, Albert
> Cc: Gratzki Annegret; Schulz Jörg; Hechler Peer
> Subject: AW: Ideas for a European monitoring project
>
>
> Dear Albert,
>
> thats really fast. Thank you for the draft proposal... we will discuss within CM-SAF.
Next week we all will be veeeery busy with our 2nd User & Training Workshop that we
organise in Nuremberg (3 days). Immediately following we have sort of "high level"
meeting with GCOS (Goodrich, Manton), WMO (Hinsman, Duchossis), climate experts
(Trenberth, Rossow et. al.), satellite operators (EUMETSAT,Russia) etc. pp., titled
"contribution of the SAF Network to Global Climate Monitoring". This meeting will be
followed by two weeks occupied with RAVI meeting in Heidelberg. So, it might take a
couple of days until I can give a more detailed feedback.
>
>
> Thanks again for considering our participation.
>
> kind regards
>
> martin
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Klein Tank, Albert [[2]mailto:Albert.Klein.TankatXYZxyzi.nl]
> Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 25. August 2005 14:30
> An: Rudolf Bruno
> Cc: Hechler Peer; Werscheck Martin; Beck Christoph; Grieser Jürgen
> Betreff: RE: Ideas for a European monitoring project
>
> Dear Bruno, Martin, et al.
>
> Thanks for your quick responses. Addressing the new EU FP6 call, I would like to make
a connection from ground-based monitoring to satellite monitoring without actually
including much on satellite products. The latter is already taken care of in CM-SAF. We
would like CM-SAF to be represented to ensure that our project is complementary. That is
also why I sent my first email to Martin (after reading your comprehensive
"Klimastatusbericht 2004").
>
> Other DWD contributions are also welcome. To give more details of what we aim for, I
attach a very first draft proposal. So far, it has been discussed only between Rob Allan
and Chris Folland of the UK Met Office, Phil Jones of CRU and me. Therefore, please note
that partners and in particular names are very preliminary.
>
> Looking forward to your comments.
>
> Albert.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rudolf Bruno [[3]mailto:Bruno.RudolfatXYZxyz.de]
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:47 PM
> To: Klein Tank, Albert
> Cc: Hechler Peer; Werscheck Martin; Beck Christoph; Grieser Jürgen
> Subject: AW: Ideas for a European monitoring project
>
> Dear Albert,
>
> The title of the project sounds interesting. The GPCC is planning to comlement the
global view by a stronger focus on Europe.
>
> Currently we are in the final phase of a successful project (VASClimO funded by the
German Government 2001 - mid 2006). The extremes have been a side aspect of this
project, however, the main focus was/is the analysis of monthly precip for trends.
Juergen Grieser and Christoph Beck are the research scientists of VASClimO. Find more
info on our Website.
>
> I asked both, if there would be interested in MACE and be willing to prepare a
proposal or a sketch of it at least.
>
> Please let us know, if you are interested in participation of DWD/GPCC?
>
> Best regards, Bruno
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Werscheck Martin
> Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 25. August 2005 12:30
> An: 'Klein Tank, Albert'
> Cc: Rudolf Bruno; Hechler Peer
> Betreff: AW: Ideas for a European monitoring project
>
> Dear Albert,
>
> thanks for inviting to contribute to FP6 Project Proposal "MACE". Sounds really
interesting! As the focus is on ground based observations, I wonder how we could fit in
with climate relevant data/products derived from satellite input. So, do you see any
chance to include satellite activities?
> Can you provide more information, esp. on that topic?
>
> Within the Climate SAF we are about to draft the proposal for the next phase
> (2007 - 2012), and this takes quite some resources to do. For this reason and the
still ongoing discussion about the future foci of DWD activities it is quite hard to
tell about the chances to join any bigger projects. I expect to have a more clear view
by end of this year. What is the schedule for MACE ?
>
> I hope it is o.k. with you that I forwarded your email to Bruno Rudolf. He might be a
candidate for MACE, too.
>
> For the time being I cross fingers for a successful application for this ambitious
project (trying to keep the numbers of partners below 30).
>
> Best regards to Aryan,
>
> cheers
> martin
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Klein Tank, Albert [[4]mailto:Albert.Klein.TankatXYZxyzi.nl]
> Gesendet am: Dienstag, 23. August 2005 16:28
> An: Martin Werscheck
> Betreff: Ideas for a European monitoring project
>
> Dear Martin,
>
> The reason that I am contacting you is to ask if you are interested to contribute to a
new European FP6 Integrated Project that I intend to propose. It is called "MACE:
Monitoring and Assessment of Climate Extremes".
> The proposal is based on earlier work by Rob Allan of the UK Met Office under the
acronym AESOP (in which your colleague Bruno Rudolf was one of the partners).
>
> Responding to the 4th call of the European Commission, the new project aims to extend
the European capacity in a cost effective manner for the systematic monitoring of
climate variability and change in support of GCOS, GEOSS, and the European Union
Strategy for Sustainable Development and the Environmental Action Plan for the European
Union. The focus is on ground-based observations (complementary to satellite
measurements).
>
> Before sending you more details, I would be pleased to know if you are interested to
participate in such a project. I also welcome your ideas on what DWD's contribution
could be given your role in the CM-SAF. For your information, the indicated maximum
budget we aim for is 7 million euros.
> This means that the project is rather ambitious, although we're trying to keep the
number of partners under 30, with a distinct scientific focus.
>
> Looking forward to hear from you!
>
> Best regards,
>
> Albert.
>
> *********************
> Albert Klein Tank
> KNMI, the Netherlands
> *********************
Albert,
Thanks for that.

My first go at sending something to Adrian Simmons failed as he
couldn't read the attachment - I seem to remember him having similar
problems with AESOP. I'm trying again now.
Please do explore the chemistry bit with your DLR people and
we'll see what comes of it first before doing anything about others such
as DARC.
Yes, I fully agree about DWD.
Cheers, Rob.

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