Saturday, March 17, 2012

2559.txt

cc: Keith Briffa <k.briffaatXYZxyz.ac.uk>, "Ricardo Villalba" <ricardoatXYZxyz.cricyt.edu.ar>, Eystein Jansen <eystein.jansenatXYZxyz.uib.no>, edwardcook <drdendroatXYZxyzo.columbia.edu>
date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:07:10 -0400
from: edwardcook <drdendroatXYZxyzo.columbia.edu>
subject: Re: the regional section and MWP Figure
to: Jonathan Overpeck <jtoatXYZxyzrizona.edu>

<x-flowed>
Given the nature of the SH and what Ricardo put together, I would keep
the Australian and South Aftrican borehole records separate. Henry
Pollack can provide them, I am sure. He gave an excellent talk at a
meeting in Canberra that I recently participated in.

Cheers,

Ed

P.S. Ricardo, here is the Oroko temperature reconstruction.

JANUARY-MARCH TEMPERATURES RECONSTRUCTED FROM
OROKO SWAMP, NEW ZEALAND SILVER PINE TREE RINGS
BE ADVISED THAT THE DATA AFTER 1958 ARE INSTRUMENTAL
TEMPERATURES
YEAR TEMP �C
900 13.751
901 14.461
902 13.236
903 13.331
904 13.483
905 13.632
906 12.959
907 13.628
908 13.372
909 12.868
910 13.244
911 13.793
912 14.048
913 14.444
914 13.095
915 14.036
916 13.215
917 13.698
918 13.570
919 13.665
920 13.871
921 13.966
922 14.762
923 14.325
924 14.077
925 14.713
926 14.081
927 14.218
928 13.793
929 14.151
930 14.985
931 13.599
932 14.663
933 14.110
934 14.968
935 14.391
936 15.484
937 15.554
938 14.977
939 15.303
940 15.179
941 15.591
942 14.737
943 14.007
944 14.865
945 14.449
946 14.350
947 15.096
948 15.257
949 15.789
950 15.303
951 15.513
952 16.111
953 15.723
954 15.459
955 14.015
956 13.083
957 13.850
958 14.069
959 13.772
960 14.873
961 14.692
962 14.923
963 14.527
964 15.034
965 14.688
966 14.486
967 14.444
968 14.436
969 13.776
970 13.809
971 14.391
972 13.487
973 13.995
974 14.061
975 14.321
976 14.882
977 14.226
978 14.977
979 15.447
980 14.424
981 14.923
982 14.180
983 15.484
984 13.487
985 14.168
986 14.176
987 15.699
988 15.187
989 16.305
990 14.845
991 14.647
992 15.765
993 14.754
994 14.271
995 13.623
996 14.300
997 13.937
998 14.040
999 14.011
1000 12.976
1001 13.904
1002 13.500
1003 13.586
1004 14.090
1005 13.809
1006 13.413
1007 13.318
1008 13.892
1009 14.151
1010 14.391
1011 13.793
1012 14.626
1013 13.755
1014 13.838
1015 13.017
1016 13.083
1017 13.549
1018 13.471
1019 13.087
1020 13.458
1021 13.203
1022 14.090
1023 13.574
1024 13.755
1025 13.826
1026 13.137
1027 13.194
1028 14.036
1029 13.091
1030 13.768
1031 13.813
1032 13.846
1033 13.871
1034 14.255
1035 14.370
1036 13.805
1037 14.576
1038 13.504
1039 13.867
1040 14.927
1041 14.420
1042 15.661
1043 15.484
1044 15.595
1045 14.741
1046 13.644
1047 14.271
1048 14.288
1049 13.661
1050 13.665
1051 13.298
1052 14.003
1053 13.826
1054 13.788
1055 13.768
1056 12.976
1057 13.397
1058 13.529
1059 13.549
1060 13.846
1061 14.032
1062 14.820
1063 13.962
1064 14.279
1065 14.151
1066 14.358
1067 14.131
1068 13.652
1069 13.941
1070 14.007
1071 14.403
1072 13.764
1073 13.982
1074 13.846
1075 13.830
1076 13.450
1077 13.632
1078 13.265
1079 13.331
1080 14.267
1081 13.644
1082 13.549
1083 13.557
1084 13.549
1085 14.725
1086 13.479
1087 12.848
1088 12.559
1089 12.926
1090 13.793
1091 14.387
1092 14.531
1093 14.114
1094 14.754
1095 14.688
1096 14.845
1097 14.729
1098 15.059
1099 15.059
1100 15.055
1101 16.057
1102 15.208
1103 15.492
1104 14.519
1105 14.741
1106 14.151
1107 15.005
1108 13.640
1109 13.652
1110 13.566
1111 13.978
1112 14.424
1113 14.180
1114 14.931
1115 14.601
1116 14.403
1117 14.391
1118 14.981
1119 15.125
1120 13.817
1121 12.897
1122 13.863
1123 14.271
1124 14.857
1125 14.882
1126 14.762
1127 14.548
1128 14.403
1129 14.667
1130 14.572
1131 14.057
1132 14.556
1133 15.018
1134 13.892
1135 13.995
1136 13.982
1137 14.853
1138 14.779
1139 15.129
1140 15.117
1141 14.849
1142 15.228
1143 15.216
1144 15.030
1145 14.428
1146 15.063
1147 15.216
1148 15.043
1149 15.034
1150 14.370
1151 15.096
1152 15.410
1153 15.719
1154 16.577
1155 15.769
1156 15.364
1157 15.855
1158 15.422
1159 14.515
1160 15.810
1161 15.628
1162 15.402
1163 15.092
1164 15.298
1165 14.865
1166 14.882
1167 15.274
1168 14.605
1169 14.746
1170 15.472
1171 15.509
1172 15.018
1173 15.369
1174 15.084
1175 15.855
1176 14.795
1177 15.571
1178 14.255
1179 14.510
1180 14.865
1181 14.036
1182 14.688
1183 14.713
1184 14.519
1185 14.255
1186 15.204
1187 14.461
1188 15.476
1189 14.882
1190 15.005
1191 14.453
1192 14.729
1193 15.265
1194 14.444
1195 14.696
1196 15.793
1197 14.581
1198 15.014
1199 14.539
1200 14.044
1201 14.733
1202 14.853
1203 15.298
1204 13.772
1205 13.991
1206 14.651
1207 14.836
1208 14.440
1209 15.162
1210 14.766
1211 15.010
1212 15.356
1213 14.787
1214 15.645
1215 15.435
1216 15.043
1217 15.063
1218 14.151
1219 15.397
1220 15.154
1221 15.892
1222 15.488
1223 15.938
1224 15.525
1225 15.591
1226 14.589
1227 15.496
1228 15.963
1229 14.502
1230 14.457
1231 15.468
1232 14.985
1233 15.282
1234 14.989
1235 15.237
1236 15.711
1237 15.888
1238 14.259
1239 14.560
1240 15.711
1241 15.195
1242 15.484
1243 15.166
1244 16.020
1245 16.454
1246 15.480
1247 15.492
1248 16.528
1249 15.150
1250 14.436
1251 14.878
1252 15.723
1253 15.043
1254 15.121
1255 14.845
1256 14.807
1257 14.482
1258 14.585
1259 15.307
1260 15.100
1261 14.354
1262 13.995
1263 14.106
1264 14.403
1265 14.754
1266 14.581
1267 14.799
1268 14.378
1269 14.671
1270 14.193
1271 14.387
1272 14.453
1273 14.510
1274 15.187
1275 15.393
1276 14.498
1277 14.560
1278 15.022
1279 14.498
1280 14.725
1281 13.549
1282 14.977
1283 14.065
1284 14.024
1285 13.603
1286 15.220
1287 15.080
1288 14.898
1289 14.774
1290 15.542
1291 15.212
1292 14.267
1293 14.692
1294 13.644
1295 14.222
1296 15.038
1297 14.721
1298 15.682
1299 13.896
1300 14.766
1301 14.836
1302 14.370
1303 14.812
1304 14.812
1305 13.673
1306 14.036
1307 13.929
1308 14.807
1309 14.114
1310 13.446
1311 13.368
1312 14.168
1313 14.989
1314 14.292
1315 14.985
1316 14.123
1317 14.321
1318 13.966
1319 14.325
1320 14.647
1321 14.622
1322 14.279
1323 14.510
1324 13.689
1325 13.450
1326 14.197
1327 13.867
1328 14.205
1329 14.779
1330 14.350
1331 14.729
1332 13.479
1333 13.974
1334 14.453
1335 14.535
1336 15.402
1337 14.424
1338 14.399
1339 14.906
1340 15.430
1341 14.531
1342 15.785
1343 15.513
1344 15.220
1345 15.352
1346 15.443
1347 15.410
1348 15.777
1349 14.902
1350 14.576
1351 14.605
1352 14.168
1353 14.601
1354 15.414
1355 14.300
1356 14.630
1357 15.170
1358 14.919
1359 14.688
1360 14.081
1361 14.799
1362 14.581
1363 15.133
1364 13.838
1365 14.708
1366 13.149
1367 13.281
1368 13.760
1369 14.123
1370 13.314
1371 14.523
1372 14.267
1373 14.226
1374 14.044
1375 14.271
1376 15.307
1377 14.684
1378 14.168
1379 14.473
1380 13.578
1381 13.586
1382 13.999
1383 13.991
1384 13.710
1385 14.411
1386 13.867
1387 14.255
1388 13.611
1389 13.974
1390 13.916
1391 13.615
1392 14.440
1393 14.787
1394 15.880
1395 16.297
1396 16.289
1397 15.170
1398 16.082
1399 15.463
1400 14.366
1401 14.758
1402 14.902
1403 14.568
1404 15.158
1405 15.579
1406 13.966
1407 13.970
1408 13.772
1409 14.523
1410 14.498
1411 14.791
1412 14.007
1413 15.818
1414 13.974
1415 13.776
1416 13.760
1417 14.407
1418 14.498
1419 14.515
1420 14.341
1421 14.374
1422 13.677
1423 14.354
1424 13.223
1425 13.801
1426 14.560
1427 14.374
1428 14.494
1429 15.051
1430 14.836
1431 13.999
1432 14.341
1433 14.865
1434 15.063
1435 15.311
1436 15.765
1437 15.789
1438 15.204
1439 15.298
1440 15.257
1441 15.443
1442 14.737
1443 15.385
1444 15.723
1445 14.717
1446 15.088
1447 15.253
1448 14.477
1449 16.004
1450 14.581
1451 14.449
1452 14.993
1453 14.151
1454 14.556
1455 14.366
1456 14.601
1457 13.813
1458 14.242
1459 15.047
1460 14.919
1461 14.300
1462 15.010
1463 14.139
1464 15.001
1465 14.873
1466 15.406
1467 14.399
1468 14.671
1469 15.092
1470 14.337
1471 14.948
1472 15.047
1473 14.523
1474 14.680
1475 14.395
1476 15.661
1477 15.158
1478 15.414
1479 15.641
1480 15.909
1481 15.748
1482 14.708
1483 14.981
1484 14.659
1485 15.113
1486 14.754
1487 15.740
1488 15.327
1489 15.125
1490 15.026
1491 15.567
1492 15.265
1493 15.996
1494 16.326
1495 14.915
1496 15.831
1497 14.845
1498 15.670
1499 16.156
1500 15.864
1501 15.831
1502 16.581
1503 15.212
1504 15.534
1505 15.270
1506 15.492
1507 15.633
1508 14.420
1509 15.723
1510 14.816
1511 15.282
1512 15.641
1513 14.655
1514 14.510
1515 13.508
1516 14.172
1517 14.251
1518 13.628
1519 13.698
1520 13.405
1521 13.920
1522 13.974
1523 13.978
1524 14.238
1525 14.003
1526 13.298
1527 13.694
1528 15.005
1529 14.218
1530 14.110
1531 14.593
1532 13.916
1533 14.510
1534 14.057
1535 14.048
1536 13.673
1537 14.477
1538 14.090
1539 14.300
1540 14.374
1541 14.387
1542 14.085
1543 14.184
1544 14.597
1545 14.783
1546 15.348
1547 15.859
1548 15.835
1549 14.729
1550 15.451
1551 15.204
1552 15.022
1553 15.352
1554 14.251
1555 14.135
1556 14.609
1557 14.572
1558 15.224
1559 14.688
1560 14.618
1561 15.179
1562 14.399
1563 14.873
1564 13.652
1565 13.958
1566 15.595
1567 14.898
1568 13.595
1569 14.019
1570 15.030
1571 15.228
1572 15.241
1573 16.355
1574 14.865
1575 14.923
1576 15.542
1577 15.162
1578 14.956
1579 15.657
1580 15.208
1581 15.208
1582 15.166
1583 14.473
1584 14.052
1585 14.213
1586 14.568
1587 14.762
1588 14.288
1589 14.069
1590 13.929
1591 13.479
1592 14.044
1593 14.267
1594 14.288
1595 14.609
1596 14.362
1597 13.846
1598 14.098
1599 14.147
1600 14.783
1601 13.995
1602 13.925
1603 13.999
1604 14.688
1605 13.892
1606 15.410
1607 14.325
1608 15.241
1609 15.104
1610 14.531
1611 15.958
1612 14.597
1613 14.337
1614 14.647
1615 13.318
1616 14.424
1617 13.768
1618 14.779
1619 14.886
1620 14.065
1621 14.085
1622 14.626
1623 13.912
1624 13.487
1625 14.292
1626 13.075
1627 13.871
1628 13.850
1629 13.755
1630 14.680
1631 14.048
1632 14.601
1633 15.752
1634 14.420
1635 14.085
1636 14.230
1637 15.426
1638 16.322
1639 14.762
1640 14.882
1641 14.985
1642 14.931
1643 15.484
1644 15.843
1645 14.861
1646 14.284
1647 14.494
1648 14.935
1649 13.966
1650 14.296
1651 13.768
1652 15.001
1653 14.944
1654 15.418
1655 15.146
1656 14.915
1657 14.803
1658 14.638
1659 14.630
1660 14.052
1661 13.702
1662 14.081
1663 14.312
1664 14.197
1665 13.780
1666 14.292
1667 14.634
1668 13.768
1669 14.671
1670 14.246
1671 14.812
1672 15.216
1673 15.810
1674 14.869
1675 16.148
1676 14.977
1677 14.923
1678 15.488
1679 14.956
1680 14.098
1681 14.523
1682 15.327
1683 15.666
1684 15.554
1685 15.270
1686 15.492
1687 15.459
1688 14.754
1689 14.741
1690 14.700
1691 14.906
1692 13.904
1693 14.527
1694 15.063
1695 14.399
1696 15.096
1697 15.360
1698 15.694
1699 15.249
1700 14.779
1701 14.609
1702 15.336
1703 15.121
1704 15.154
1705 15.212
1706 14.750
1707 15.472
1708 14.164
1709 13.665
1710 14.213
1711 14.741
1712 15.521
1713 15.410
1714 14.519
1715 15.154
1716 14.597
1717 15.212
1718 14.688
1719 13.962
1720 15.109
1721 15.839
1722 15.765
1723 15.001
1724 15.389
1725 15.088
1726 14.655
1727 14.312
1728 14.824
1729 14.981
1730 13.640
1731 15.043
1732 13.953
1733 13.681
1734 14.036
1735 13.937
1736 14.832
1737 14.807
1738 14.325
1739 14.337
1740 14.680
1741 14.779
1742 14.255
1743 14.205
1744 14.024
1745 14.069
1746 15.216
1747 15.455
1748 15.447
1749 15.851
1750 15.253
1751 14.626
1752 15.294
1753 15.744
1754 15.158
1755 14.750
1756 15.319
1757 15.059
1758 15.195
1759 14.725
1760 14.609
1761 14.869
1762 15.212
1763 15.505
1764 14.634
1765 15.175
1766 14.552
1767 15.109
1768 14.312
1769 14.090
1770 14.246
1771 14.127
1772 14.667
1773 14.312
1774 14.659
1775 14.296
1776 14.527
1777 14.069
1778 15.005
1779 14.832
1780 15.146
1781 14.865
1782 14.102
1783 13.735
1784 14.510
1785 14.052
1786 14.795
1787 15.455
1788 15.298
1789 14.325
1790 14.927
1791 14.230
1792 14.230
1793 14.836
1794 15.637
1795 15.022
1796 14.473
1797 14.968
1798 14.028
1799 13.463
1800 14.151
1801 15.187
1802 15.290
1803 15.732
1804 14.985
1805 15.224
1806 16.251
1807 13.289
1808 14.420
1809 14.696
1810 14.568
1811 15.802
1812 16.082
1813 16.416
1814 16.082
1815 16.309
1816 15.967
1817 16.247
1818 15.208
1819 15.587
1820 15.323
1821 15.505
1822 14.812
1823 15.298
1824 15.022
1825 15.179
1826 15.967
1827 14.040
1828 14.449
1829 14.242
1830 14.548
1831 14.378
1832 15.137
1833 13.496
1834 14.081
1835 15.228
1836 14.700
1837 14.432
1838 14.927
1839 14.482
1840 15.175
1841 14.296
1842 14.762
1843 14.350
1844 14.770
1845 15.026
1846 14.688
1847 14.944
1848 15.088
1849 14.774
1850 14.865
1851 14.787
1852 14.527
1853 14.502
1854 15.183
1855 14.828
1856 15.270
1857 14.436
1858 14.721
1859 14.539
1860 14.407
1861 14.832
1862 14.271
1863 14.490
1864 13.953
1865 15.290
1866 14.473
1867 15.414
1868 14.440
1869 15.129
1870 15.022
1871 15.468
1872 14.993
1873 14.890
1874 14.638
1875 14.898
1876 14.993
1877 14.366
1878 14.333
1879 13.454
1880 15.369
1881 15.109
1882 15.187
1883 15.278
1884 14.308
1885 15.026
1886 15.385
1887 15.183
1888 14.127
1889 14.985
1890 15.480
1891 14.717
1892 15.773
1893 14.807
1894 15.451
1895 15.179
1896 13.780
1897 14.531
1898 13.912
1899 14.354
1900 15.290
1901 15.752
1902 14.886
1903 15.216
1904 15.938
1905 15.208
1906 14.279
1907 14.923
1908 15.022
1909 15.501
1910 15.633
1911 15.212
1912 13.648
1913 14.329
1914 15.389
1915 14.704
1916 15.983
1917 14.779
1918 14.432
1919 14.024
1920 14.040
1921 14.622
1922 15.315
1923 14.560
1924 15.835
1925 14.927
1926 14.812
1927 15.220
1928 16.433
1929 14.506
1930 14.535
1931 14.073
1932 14.440
1933 15.406
1934 14.708
1935 15.026
1936 14.106
1937 13.372
1938 14.663
1939 13.842
1940 13.879
1941 14.725
1942 14.510
1943 14.337
1944 15.133
1945 14.189
1946 14.048
1947 14.098
1948 14.923
1949 14.733
1950 14.581
1951 15.121
1952 14.073
1953 14.572
1954 14.106
1955 14.457
1956 14.849
1957 14.626
1958 15.374
1959 15.183
1960 14.970
1961 15.140
1962 15.289
1963 14.991
1964 14.395
1965 14.991
1966 15.587
1967 14.948
1968 14.948
1969 14.629
1970 15.779
1971 16.354
1972 15.247
1973 14.671
1974 15.353
1975 16.141
1976 14.586
1977 14.863
1978 15.332
1979 14.948
1980 14.906
1981 15.481
1982 14.991
1983 14.117
1984 15.353
1985 15.225
1986 15.587
1987 15.140
1988 14.863
1989 16.098
1990 15.417
1991 14.991
1992 14.096
1993 14.160
1994 15.183
1995 15.119
1996 15.630
1997 14.927
1998 15.417
1999 16.354

On Jul 17, 2005, at 10:40 PM, Jonathan Overpeck wrote:

> Thanks Ricardo and Ed! I personally am not a big fan of the Jones and
> Mann SH recon. It is based on so little. On the other hand, it is in
> the literature. So, I leave it up to you and Keith to decide - perhaps
> Eystein can weigh in too.
>
> I do, however, think it would be really helpful to included the
> borehole data (see prev. emails) - either as a single SH curve, or
> (probably better) two regional curves (Australia and S. Africa). Is
> there a reason this is not a good idea? Can't complain about snow bias
> down there...
>
> Thanks again - I look forward to seeing the next draft and figure -
> complete w/ borehole I hope.
>
> thx, Peck
>
>> Hi Keith,
>>
>> Please, find attached my last version of the SH temp. As you know, Ed
>> Cook
>> returned my original version of the SH with minor comments. Overall,
>> he
>> agreed with the text. Still I am waiting from him the Oroco Swamp
>> data to
>> include in the Figure, which first draft I sent you more than a month
>> ago.
>>
>> In the last version I have included a first paragraph referring to
>> the Jones
>> and Mann (2003) temperature reconstruction for the SH. At that time
>> we have
>> to decide if we want to have the hemispheric (Jones and Mann) and the
>> regional views (Tasmania, New Zealand, Patagonia, maybe include
>> Antarctica
>> (Ommem et al. 2005)), or just one of them. If we decide to stay with
>> the
>> hemispheric view, we should include Jones and Mann reconstruction at
>> the
>> bottom of one of your figures. In cases that we decide to maintain
>> both
>> hemispheric and regional views, we should include Jones and Mann at
>> the
>> bottom of my figure. Please, could you check with Peck and Eystein
>> to see
>> the best way to proceed? Thanks,
>>
>> Ricardo
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Keith Briffa" <k.briffaatXYZxyz.ac.uk>
>> To: <jtoatXYZxyzrizona.edu>; "Eystein Jansen" <Eystein.JansenatXYZxyz.uib.no>
>> Cc: <ricardoatXYZxyz.cricyt.edu.ar>; "Ed Cook"
>> <drdendroatXYZxyzo.columbia.edu>
>> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 11:01 AM
>> Subject: the regional section and MWP Figure
>>
>>
>>> Guys
>>> still need the SH temp bit from Ricardo/ED to edit and am exploring
>>> the
>> MWP
>>> Figure - but the concept still is unclear to me - but we agreed to
>>> do a
>>> plot like Tom's . The regional section is still a worry - I am
>>> happy to
>>> very briefly edit the section on NAO (possibly incorporate the ENSO
>> stuff )
>>> but my understanding is that this section is best done (to
>>> incorporate
>> also
>>> the regional moisture work of Ed ) by Ricardo /Ed with input my
>>> Peck. This
>>> is still my opinion. I also would appreciate feedback re the
>>> regional
>>> forcing section that I think we may have to drop - but perhaps not.
>>> Therefore I ask that when i get the SH temp stuff I will
>>> incorporate it
>> but
>>> that you guys (Peck, Ricardo, Ed and Eystein interacting over the
>>> North
>>> Atlantic bit) first review and redo the regional section .
>>> It is important to get feedback from Henry re the borehole stuff and
>>> involve Tom in the debate with all of us , of the value of the
>>> Figure . In
>>> meantime , will experiment with the Figure and review existing text
>>> and
>> bullets
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Professor Keith Briffa,
>>> Climatic Research Unit
>>> University of East Anglia
>>> Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K.
>>>
>>> Phone: +44-1603-593909
>>> Fax: +44-1603-507784
>>>
>>> http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:Southern hemisphere2.doc
>> (WDBN/�IC�) (0008A6E0)
>
>
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> Jonathan T. Overpeck
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> Professor, Department of Geosciences
> Professor, Department of Atmospheric Sciences
>
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>
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Dr. Edward R. Cook
Doherty Senior Scholar and
Director, Tree-Ring Laboratory
Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory
Palisades, New York 10964 USA
Email: drdendroatXYZxyzo.columbia.edu
Phone: 845-365-8618
Fax: 845-365-8152
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