Sunday, April 8, 2012


date: Mon Nov 9 10:14:41 2009
from: Phil Jones <>
subject: Re: AGG items
to: Richard Thigpen <>, "Stephan Bojinski (E-Mail)" <>

Attached is a ppt for tomorrow. Let me know when you're going to call me.
I'll be at +44 1603 592090
It shouldn't take more than 15 minutes at the very most.
At 11:31 23/10/2009, Richard Thigpen wrote:

Hi Phil,
Did you want to run this past the AGG or its so easy that's not necessary?
I will certainly try to get all the data I can from Cuba. You are correct, some NCDC
reports are not always correct. The lead Centers complain a lot!
No Pakistan does not use Indian sondes.
I'll review options for GCOS-73 with Stephan next week and we'll let you know.
Phil Jones wrote:

It is probably worth agreeing to all 4 from Cuba as they are well spaced out. It
would be just good if they began issuing CLIMATs, so if only for that score it is
An issue is whether NCDC really do have the historic CLIMATs for all of them. I've
looked at what we in CRU have and we only have them up to 1970. It would be useful to
try and get their historic CLIMATS (just their monthly averages and totals) if you go.
Karachi for the GUAN sounds OK - I presume they don't use Indian sondes.
Maybe we should put GCOS-73 on the AOPC agenda. Better still we could send the latest
version around and you could flag up the issues you have below.
If there is nothing much more on GUAN and the GSN then conf call may not be that
At 13:54 22/10/2009, Richard Thigpen wrote:

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Hello Phil,
A few things we should discuss either by phone or by e mail as you prefer:
Cuba has offered several stations for GSN.
"I like to inform you that meteorological stations of Cabo de San Antonio (78310) at the
western tip of Cuba, Casa Blanca (78325) at Havana City, Camag�ey (78355) in the middle
of the country and Maisi (78369) at the eastern tip, are the proposes of the Institute
of Meteorology for incorporating to GCOS."
None report CLIMAT today but they say they will start in February 2010 (with January
CLIMAT). We probably do not need all four. I attach a map but cannot find two stations
yet. They are not part of Cuba's RBCN. I'll get them on the map soon. I think I can
find them in Vol A and insert them. They all send SYNOP and NCDC has history since
1940's. They say they are willing to prepare and send CLIMAT for all of 2009 once they
get started.
They want me to come, perhaps in February, and I can get more info then. But we have
been trying to get them for years so perhaps we would want to add them in the January
change cycle? Otherwise we wait a year. I am in contact with the PR and the head of
the Climate department.
Karachi, Pakistan is offered for GUAN. Seems like a good choice to me.
They work well and we need better coverage in this region. The PR offered it.
At some point I will bring up Lima again and suggest dropping it AGAIN!
There's no way I can get it going. Its a political issue in Peru and the Met Service
does not operate the station. They no longer respond to me as they are simply tired of
my questions.
For GCOS-73 I think maybe we should try a working session at the next AOPC. All of us
have chipped in a bit but I am not sure it is now very readable. Surely Stephan could
make it readable but there are a few other issues to me. We have changed the GUAN
requirements which suggests we need to advise the operators of GUAN stations. Perhaps
they no longer agree. And we have that statement that a certification/commitment from
the NMHS is a minimum requirement. If we really want that we need to consider the
implementation. I also think we need to consider the advertising/distribution of the new
version. Just posting it on our web site may not be all we want. If we actually send a
copy with a cover telling them the essentials we might get a better support from the
operators. (And maybe not!)
Again I could set up an AGG conference call if you wish. Cheers

Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email

Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email

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