Monday, April 9, 2012


date: Wed Dec 10 10:14:10 2008
from: Phil Jones <>
subject: Re: A quick question

Haven't got a reply from the FOI person here at UEA. So I'm not
entirely confident the numbers are correct. One way of checking would be
to look on CA, but I'm not doing that. I did get an email
from the FOI person here early yesterday to tell me I shouldn't be deleting emails -
this was 'normal' deleting to keep emails manageable! McIntyre hasn't
paid his �10, so nothing looks likely to happen re his Data Protection Act email.
Anyway requests have been of three types - observational data, paleo data
and who made IPCC changes and why. Keith has got all the latter - and
there have been at least 4. We made Susan aware of these - all came from
David Holland. According to the FOI Commissioner's Office, IPCC is an
international organization, so is above any national FOI. Even if UEA holds
anything about IPCC, we are not obliged to pass it on, unless it has anything
to do with our core business - and it doesn't! I'm sounding like Sir Humphrey here!
McIntyre often gets others to do the requesting, but requests and responses
all get posted up on CA regardless of who sends them.
On observational data, there have been at least 5 including a couple from
McIntyre. Others here came from Eschenbach and also Douglas Keenan.
The latter relate to Wei-Chyung Wang, and despite his being exonerated by
SUNY, Keenan has not changed his web site since being told the result by SUNY!
The paleo data requests have all been to Keith, and here Tim and Keith reply.
The recent couple have come from McIntyre but there have been at least two
others from Holland.
So since Feb 2007, CRU is in double figures. We never get any thanks for putting
things up - only abuse and threats. The latest lot is up in the last 3-4 threads on
I got this email over the weekend - see end of this email. This relates to
what Tim sent back late last week. There was another one as well - a chatty
one saying why didn't I respond to keep these people on CA quiet. I've
ignored both.
Finally, I know that DEFRA receive Parliamentary Questions from MPs to
answer. One of these 2 months ago was from a Tory MP asking how much
money DEFRA has given to CRU over the last 5 years. DEFRA replied that they
don't give money - they award grants based on open competition. DEFRA's system
also told them there were no awards to CRU, as when we do get something it is
down as UEA!
I've occasionally checked DEFRA responses to FOI requests - all from Holland.

Dear Mr Jones

What are you frightened of?

Is it that suddenly mugs like me who pay our taxes suddenly realise we are paying your

Please respond to Climate Audit's valid queries otherwise I will contact my MP. Please see

Quote From CA
As it happens, I have experience in mining exploration programs and I can assure Phil Jones
that, contray to this experience enabling me to "understand why some samples are excluded",
it gives me exactly the opposite perspective. It makes it virtually impossible for me to
think up valid explanations for "excluding" some samples. It's illegal in the businesses
that I know.
Anyhow, CRU answered as follows:

We have checked our files and no manuals, computer code, documents or correspondence
are available. We can confirm, however, that we did not use a different Omoloyla
data set and therefore there is no further data to provide.

Your behaviour is absoulutely outrageous.

Best regards

Stuart Harmon

At 01:48 09/12/2008, you wrote:

Dear Phil,
I had a quick question for you: What is the total number of FOIA requests that you've
received from Steven McIntyre?
With best regards,
Benjamin D. Santer
Program for Climate Model Diagnosis and Intercomparison
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
P.O. Box 808, Mail Stop L-103
Livermore, CA 94550, U.S.A.
Tel: (925) 422-3840
FAX: (925) 422-7675

Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email

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