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date: Mon Aug 10 15:48:03 2009
from: Phil Jones <p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk>
subject: Re: Piece for CRU web site
to: Olive Heffernan <heffernan.oliveatXYZxyzglemail.com>

Olive,
Thanks for sending this. I've added any comments inline. It would seem as though the
item might be quite long!
I've either said OK, or made some mods in italics.
Can you send a link to the final thing - if possible late on Weds? I'm
planning to be off at home on Thurs, so won't get to see Nature when it
arrives in the post.
Cheers
Phil
At 15:08 10/08/2009, Olive Heffernan wrote:

Yes, sorry for the delay. Here they are. I'm not sure how many of
these will stay in, but shout asap if you see any problems
thanks
Olive
I initially tried to help him out but it soon became clear that it
was a concerted action to waste my time, says Jones, who believes
that McIntyre is simply interested in finding holes in the data.

OK

Ive become markedly less responsive to the public over the past few
years as a result of this

OK

"Ive worked amazingly hard to get the data from people and now Im
having this FOI act thrown at me. They appear to me to think its funny to waste my
time

maybe add .. with all these requests.
Might be better to omit the second sentence altogether.

Jones, who is on the Atmospheric Observation Panel for Climate, which is a part of
Global Climate Observing System, set up by the
World Meteorological Organization, says that he has been working on
trying to enable better access to data for 30 years. Although he
agrees that the data should be made publicly available, he says that
it needs to be done in a systematic way.
And that may take several months, he says, as some nations will likely
object if they are hoping to make money from the data. Even in the UK
there are limits to making meteorological data available; daily wind,
sunshine and precipitation data, for example, are a source of
commercial revenue for the Met office.

OK - except for the Panel name. It is long winded, I realise that.
Part of the problem is that there are so many panels reporting to each other.

Were trying to make them all available. Were consulting with all the
meteorological services about 150 members of WMO and will ask them
if they are happy to release the data.

OK

Some countries dont even have their own data available as they havent
digitized all their records yet. We have done a lot of that ourselves, along with other
groups.

Just to emphasize that it isn't just CRU that has improved the data that has been
digitized.

I would like him to produce a global temperature record but he seems to have no
interest. Science advances that way. He might then realize how robust the global
temperature record is.

I'd omit the last sentence about understanding.

On 10/08/2009, Phil Jones <p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Olive,
> The plan at the moment is 4pm tomorrow. Our FOI person is away from
> Thursday as
> I am.
>
> Are you still planning on sending me my quotes? I'm around till 5pm
> today.
>
> Cheers
> Phil
>
>
>
> At 14:18 10/08/2009, you wrote:
> > Hi Phil,
> >
> > Ok, thanks for clarifying that. When will the url to the agreements go
> online?
> >
> > Best
> > Olive
> >
> > On 09/08/2009, P.JonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk <P.JonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk> wrote:
> > > Olive,
> > > I did send some of the data to a person working
> > > with Peter Webster at Georgia Tech. The email wasn't to
> > > PW, but he was in the CC list. I don't know how
> > > McIntyre found out, but I thought this was a personal
> > > email. This was one of the first times I'd sent
> > > some data to a fellow scientist who wasn't at the
> > > Hadley Centre. As I said I have taken pity on African
> > > and Asian PhD students who wanted some temperature and precipitation
> > > data for their country. The email has only gotten me grief,
> > > so this is another reason for being much less helpful to
> > > people emailing CRU. This goes against my nature, but
> > > I've been driven to it. You'd better not say this, otherwise
> > > McIntyre will request the emails where to prove I've been
> > > unhelpful!
> > >
> > > I should have just said to the GA person - use GHCN, like I do to
> > > everyone else.
> > >
> > > I also don't see why I should help people, I don't want to work
> > > with and who spend most of their time critisising me.
> > >
> > > Years ago I did send much paleo data to McIntyre but have also
> > > had nothing but criticism on his blog ever since. As I said,
> > > this criticism on blog sites is not the way to do science.
> > > If they want to engage, they have to converse in civil tones,
> > > and if people don't want to work with them, they have to respect
> > > that and live with it.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Phil
> > >
> > > > Hi Phil,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks so much for that. I have one other question: McIntyre claims
> > > > that you sent data to Peter Webstre at Georgia Tech, but that you
> > > > would not supply him with the same data. Is that true, and if so, what
> > > > was the reasoning?
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Olive
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 07/08/2009, Phil Jones <p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk> wrote:
> > > >> Here it is. There will be a link to the agreements - which are
> > > >> attached.
> > > >> Files won't go up with these names. You should recognize one of
> these
> > > >> - the data agreement between the Met Office and NERC.
> > > >>
> > > >> Met Services appear want to be able to sell data commercially.
> > > >> As I said some has more value than other types of data. Most
> > > >> put in clauses separating academic from commercial use.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers
> > > >>
> > > >> Phil
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Prof. Phil Jones
> > > >> Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
> > > >> School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
> > > >> University of East Anglia
> > > >> Norwich Email p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk
> > > >> NR4 7TJ
> > > >> UK
> > > >>
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> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> Prof. Phil Jones
> Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
> School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
> University of East Anglia
> Norwich Email p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk
> NR4 7TJ
> UK
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>
>

Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK
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