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date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:55:01 +0000 (GMT)
from: "jacopo.pasotti@bluewin.ch" <jacopo.pasottiatXYZxyzewin.ch>
subject: AW: Re: AW: Re: PS AW: Fwd: Re: more questions
to: <p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk>

Phil...
I am showing you just technical bits that I need to make clear. It
is probably less then half of the whole! You need to understand that
speaking with you and others made me rather clear the objections.
Their arguments are more complicate do condensate. I am bringing in
it views of Ray Pierrehumbert, of Bard, of Delaygue. I also spoke to
Stocker. Just, the editors need me to first report what are
Courtillot's claims, that's the way it works in the news. I cannot
start up with the comments, like in a web blog.
Look at these, please,
http://www.scienceandnature.net/Dati/science_stalagmites.pdf
http://www.scienceandnature.net/Dati/maldives.htm
Does they look like skeptic stories?

However, I take it as a misunderstanding.
If I get your comments by today evening, they will be most useful.
Thanks, Jacopo



----Messaggio originale----
Da: p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk
Data: 21.12.2007 13.25
A: <jacopo.pasottiatXYZxyzewin.ch>
Oggetto: Re: AW: Re: PS AW: Fwd: Re: more questions


Jacopo,
I'm not going to comment on your text, because
your report is awful. I thought you wanted a balanced
report. What you've written isn't. You've not understood
any of what was said on the Real Climate Audit web site.

You have several words wrong and what you say doesn't
make sense at times. But you don't seem to want to
discuss proper climate science.

Phil


At 17:18 20/12/2007, you wrote:
>Thanks Jones,
>please read the following paragraphs. Check for consistency. The
>wording will also change. Basically you would help me just
answering:
>correct? Yes or no.
>Please notice that I am not used to send so much text for
revision,
>but I need to be sure I am reporting correctly. Please do not
>circulate this manuscript at this stage.
>Thanks, Jacopo
>
>---
>The team of geophysicists led by Vincent Courtillot, director of
>the director of Institut de Physique du Globe in Paris, insist
that
>the solar activity conjures with the Earth magnetic field
influencing
>climate of the past few centuries and back to five millennia ago.
>---
>To explain how climate of the last century is affected by both
the
>Sun and the geomagnetic field, the team shows a graph where solar
>activity and the geomagnetic field nicely shift up and down at
the
>unison with the global temperature. The team speculated that
solar-
>induced changes the magnetic field by cosmic ray fluctuations
>influences climate, possibly enahncing or inhibiting cloud
>formation.
>---
>But looking to a more remote past makes the role of the Earth's
>magnetic field even more intriguing, the geophysicists say. To
look
>back to when Egypt was governed by god-like pharaons,
geophyisicist
>Yves Gallet, who was part of the team, studied magnetic intensity
>preserved in archaeological fragments. He found sharp changes in
the
>secular variations of the magnetic field, called "archeomagnetic
>jerks", that probably result from Earth's core fluid flow
variations.
>According to Gallet archeomagnetic jerks match stunningly with
>cooling events, occurring approximately every 500 years.
>---
>The secular roaming of the dipole from the geographic north
towards
>lower latitudes may provide an explanation for the climate-
>geomagnetism link. Magnetic field traps the cosmic rays producing
>spectacular northern lights, and that's about it in the dry polar
>regions. But the team argued that when the dipole tilts towards
the
>south and meets with a more humid atmosphere cosmic rays could
form
>clouds, and therefore cool the atmosphere.
>---
>In a comment in press in the same journal, climatologist Edouard
>Bard, from Collège de France, and geochemist Gilles Delaygue,
from
>the University Paul Cézanne Aix-Marseille 3, unvailed
approximations
>and uncritical examination of current views on climate that rub
>Courtillot's results away. For example Bard questioned a cooling
of
>the global temperature from 1940 to 1970. The French team showed
a
>nice fit between the sun, the geomagnetic fluctuations, and
climate
>showed by the French team, is commonly attributed to human made
>areosols, Bard objected.

Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK

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