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cc: "Mcgarvie Michael Mr (ACAD)" <>, "Ogden Annie Ms (MAC)" <>
date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 16:45:57 +0100
from: "Palmer Dave Mr (LIB)" <>
subject: RE: FW: Environmental Information Regulation 2004 request
to: "Jones Philip Prof (ENV)" <>

Another 'orphan' that I need to address....

I'm afraid that responding that a request is 'ludicrous' is not a viable exception under EIR! ;-)

I'm assuming that the data is received from a vast array of scientists and stations around the globe. If I understand you correctly, there is no one place, either here or elsewhere, that has listed the sources of the data that comprises the CRUTEM data set? (This is question 2).

If that is the case, I would think that we would need to think carefully about our response or I fear we could end up with a headline blazing 'CRU has no idea where it's data comes from!'

The first question relates to who we have 'solicited' to get such information. Once again, if I understand correctly, there is no such list and such solicitations would have occurred over a long period of time and there may no longer be a record of whom we actually contacted...?

I would think that even if we state in some fashion that we don't have the data on who we solicited, the question of who gives us data probably merits the invocation of the 40 day extension period to answer. Remember, we don't have the 'appropriate limit' under EIR so it's either 'we don't have it' or it's 'manifestly unreasonable' due to the time it would take to locate & retrieve the information....

Deadline on this one is tomorrow and I'm sure we won't have a response ready by then....

Cheers, Dave

>-----Original Message-----
>From: []
>Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:49 PM
>To: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB)
>Cc: Jones Philip Prof (ENV); Mcgarvie Michael Mr (ACAD)
>Subject: Re: FW: Environmental Information Regulation 2004
>request (FOI_09-123; EIR_09-16) [FOI_09-127: EIR_09-18]
> Dave,
> This is a ludicrous request!! GHCN doesn't have this sort
> of information. They don't keep a track either of where each
> bit of data, or each station, comes from!
> Some of it is in the papers we referred to on the web page
> and others we have written over the years.
> Cheers
> Phil
> > Another request from Mr. O'Donnell. As this one is quite
>different that
>> the other, I will treat it separately.
>> Do we actually have the requested information? I am
>assuming that we know
>> where we get this information from so we should have a list
>of where we
>> get the data; what I am not sure of is whether we have a list of who
>> CRU/UEA has approached to provide the data.
>> Deadline is 11 September BUT we have the option under Reg.
>7(1) of EIR to
>> extend this deadline to 40 days where we 'reasonably believe the the
>> complexity and volume of the information requested means that it is
>> impracticable either to comply or... to make a decision to
>refuse to do
>> so" within the standard 20 day period. This should be
>considered with all
>> requests under EIR where applicable (Note - this provision
>does not exist
>> under FOIA)
>> Cheers, Dave
>> ________________________________
>> From: Ryan ODonnell []
>> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:00 AM
>> To: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB)
>> Subject: Re: Environmental Information Regulation 2004 request
>> (FOI_09-123; EIR_09-16)
>> Mr. Palmer,
>> I apologize in advance for not consolidating this into a
>single request.
>> I request, under FOI/EIR, a list of the individual scientists,
>> governments, NMSs, and any other organization that has been
>solicited to
>> provide temperature data for inclusion in the CRU land
>temperature index
>> by any person acting in an official capacity at CRU or the
>University of
>> East Anglia. I additionally request, as a separate entity,
>a list of the
>> individual scientists, governments, NMSs, and any other
>organization that
>> is known to have provided temperature data for the
>aforementioned purpose.
>> The reason for my request is to determine what parties have
>or may have
>> contributed information in order to lobby these parties to
>provide the
>> University of East Anglia written statements of unconditional or
>> conditional release (on satisfactory terms for academic and
>> research) of this information; or, alternatively, written
>statements that
>> the information is already considered public domain.
>> It is in the public interest for the temperature information
>to be freely
>> available in order for the scientific processes of replication and
>> sensitivity analysis of the CRU land temperature index to be
>> As your organization has offered the position that it lacks
>the resources
>> to complete this arduous undertaking itself, it is therefore
>greatly in
>> the public interest that the individuals and organizations that are
>> apparently preventing release of the information be provided
>such that
>> they can be lobbied through the appropriate channels.
>> Regards,
>> Ryan O'Donnell
>> --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Palmer Dave Mr (LIB)
><> wrote:
>> From: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB) <>
>> Subject: Environmental Information Regulation 2004 request
>> EIR_09-16)
>> To: "" <>
>> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 6:25 AM
>> Mr. O'Donnell,
>> Attached please find a letter acknowledging your request received
>> yesterday, 11 August 2009. It contains further information
>regarding the
>> handling of this request under the Environmental Information
>> 2004. I will be in contact with you further in due course.
>> Cheers, Dave Palmer
>> ____________________________
>> David Palmer
>> Information Policy & Compliance Manager
>> University of East Anglia
>> Norwich, England
>> NR4 7TJ
>> Information Services
>> Tel: +44 (0)1603 593523
>> Fax: +44 (0)1603 591010

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