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date: Fri Feb 6 16:04:29 2004
from: Phil Jones <p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk>
subject: Re: Fwd: 2003RG000143R Receipt of revised MS by Reviews of
to: "Michael E. Mann" <mannatXYZxyzginia.edu>

Mike,
I just click. I didn't need a userid/pw to resubmit on Wednesday.
The CC saga is dragging on ! An email yesterday suggested that you should provide the
code, but just for MM to check - and not to expect to run it !! I responded to this (and
have
just been seconded by Tom K. and Rik Leemans) saying it is ludicrous.
I said even if you gave them the code (all the options as well as which proxies to use
for
which periods etc) and the data, they still wouldn't be able to get it to work. They would
then
complain they couldn't get it to work. Suggested also you likely have some library
routines
re some of the PCA work.
Then I got to thinking ! In their comment to Nature they try in Fig 4 to replicate
what you
did in MBH98. They get an r-value of 0.89. They say this is due to some data series being
different and the unavailability of the CRU temperature data you used ! I remember you
saying
you were going to put that onto your web site, so that can't be the real reason. So, I
reckon
they can't replicate what you did and want your code to sort this out. I briefly implied
this
back to CC and said asking for the code infringes your IPR.
When Steve does respond - he's been away, in Japan, I think - remind him of IPR. It may
seem odd to hide behind this, but you've given the method details in the original paper
and in others. This should be all they need. I think our Orthogonal Spatial Regression
technique would give much closer results than 0.89. When we did some work with
Ed comparing Canonical Correlation with OSR, the results were almost identical when
the networks were complete.
When we do reviews we agree not to discuss the papers with others etc. If you give them
the code, what guarantee do you have that they will delete it once the review is finished.
Apologies if you've waded through all this and already had much the same thoughts.
Cheers
Phil
Cheers
Phil

At 10:37 06/02/2004 -0500, you wrote:

never mind...I can get there directly from the link below,
mike
At 08:22 AM 2/6/2004 +0000, you wrote:

Mike,
FYI
Phil

From: reviewsgeophysicsatXYZxyz.org
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:46:46 UT
To: p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk
Subject: 2003RG000143R Receipt of revised MS by Reviews of Geophysics.
Reply-To: reviewsgeophysicsatXYZxyz.org
Dear Dr. Jones:
On February 5, 2004, we received your revised manuscript entitled "Climate over Past
Millennia" by authors:
Phil Jones
Michael Mann
I will contact you as soon as this revision has been evaluated. In the interim, you may
check on the status of this manuscript by selecting the "Check Manuscript Status" link
under the following URL:
<[1]http://reviewsofgeophysics-submit.agu.org/cgi-bin/main.plex?el=A2P7liX6B7BFkh5F5A9if
vfD2xudWY5PPWm8scYgZ>
(Press/Click on the above link to be automatically sent to the web page.)
Sincerely,
Tom Torgersen
Editor,
Reviews of Geophysics

Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK
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Professor Michael E. Mann
Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA 22903
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e-mail: mannatXYZxyzginia.edu Phone: (434) 924-7770 FAX: (434) 982-2137
[2]http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml

Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK
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