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date: Fri Jan 16 14:12:04 2004
from: Phil Jones <p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk>
subject: RE: FWD: 2003RG000143 Decision Letter
to: "Michael E. Mann" <mannatXYZxyzginia.edu>

Mike,
Great. Merging should be OK. Your alterations should only be in a few sections. You'll
be able to make other changes after we've merged everything in the areas that I work on.
So note these as you go along. Merging the responses will be straightforward.
So later I can make one big pdf of the revised submission, can you get Scott to
produce
.ps and .pdf of all four figures that you're doing.
What about a Figure on the PDO? I think this is still a bit premature - is there
something
to compare or are they too different (in the sense that the real series is still not that
accepted).
We needn't do everything and a figure would add more space.
Amazing that Rev 1 hadn't read SB !!
Cheers
Phil
At 08:59 16/01/2004 -0500, you wrote:

Thanks Phil,
This sounds good--I'll get working on those sections/figures you mention below, and then
we can merge changes--I'll also draft my responses to various comments, which you can
merge w/ your own. All my changes will be in yellow highlighting.
I'm mostly arround through mid feb (other than Jan 28-Feb 1) so shouldn't be a problem
to get this done.
talk to you soon,
mike
At 01:56 PM 1/16/2004 +0000, Phil Jones wrote:

Mike,
Hoped to have got this email to you earlier, but CC and a couple of other pressing
things
came along.
I'm away from Sunday till Thursday inc. What are your movements over the next few
weeks?
I'll be here from Jan 27 onwards and next Friday. I'll try and get a version to you
after my
week in Geneva. I'll have the laptop and hopefully we won't get worked as hard as we
were
in Holland this week.
I'll be working with the submitted double-spaced draft. I think I'll be able to do
most things.
I'm leaving you though with those on corals, boreholes and Esper et al. So, if you want
to
make a start on these ... I won't be able to chase up the additional references whilst
in
Geneva, but will do that when I get back. So, I plan to do all other comments,
including those
on bias, SB etc. I'll highlight all the paras where I make changes etc.
As for the Figures, 2,6 and 7 seem unscathed. When I'm back I'll work on colours
for 4.
This leaves you with 1, 3, 5 and 8. For Fig 1 just need to make it clearer. You will
be
changing 3 and 5 anyway. For 8 an inset seems like a good idea - especially if we can
get
the cover. I was surprised 7 got no comments - I'm still a little worried by this.
Gavin's
comments will help here.
I think we have got away quite well - 2 signed reviews and 2 others that were good.
I will
play up to this in the response to Tom Torgerson. As for size I'll try and reduce
repetition a
little, but won't go overboard. I think we've got away with it !!!! - this was my one
big fear.
I plan to add in a sentence or two at the beginning of section 2 saying we
emphasize
weaknesses as this is where the issues are. I've an idea what to write.
As for MM, I think a couple of sentences are all that is required - something along
the lines
of the points I made to CC, simple averaging gets the same result etc, therefore MM is
wrong. Anyway you'll see it all.
Does all this sound OK ? Hopefully Scott will be helpful and can find the time for
the Feb 17
date. I think we can do all by email - but we can always call after about Feb 5 if it
will speed
things up.
I have to also do the EUG as well - deadline for submission has been extended to Jan
27
as usual !
If you ever do want to call the number is below. Home is +44 1953 605643 - in most
nights
except Tues/Weds.
I'll be checking email whilst in Geneva but won't be able to see attachments.
Cheers
Phil
PS Just got the marked copy from Kim Cobb - doesn't appear much more than in
the review. Will acknowledge her and Dave by name.
At 12:25 14/01/2004 -0500, you wrote:

Thanks Phil,
This sounds good--there are clearly places where I'll need to take a lead role in the
revisions--the comments on the Cobb et al coral stuff, the comments on the Mann and
Jones, Esper et al, and borehole stuff (which I'll try both to update and address the
reviewers concerns). And I'll take the responsibility for updating all figures that I
had a lead role on (i.e. Fig 3, 5, 8). I plan to redo the Mann and Jones 1981-1995 w/out
using persistence of disappearing series, to insure it doesn't make a difference.
Perhaps we're a bit too focused on Soon/Baliunas and the terms LIA and MWP--the
reviewers seem to thinkw we've gone a bit overboard here. perhaps, and should also try
to make slightly more general statements about inappropriate methods as reviewer
suggests--here I'd like to comment briefly also on the McIntyre & McCormick paper,
since reviewer B raises the issue.
So I'll wait for a revised version from you, and then try to add in my own revisions,
focusing on these things, and anything else you bring to my attention.
Enjoy Geneva!
mike
At 05:05 PM 1/14/2004 +0000, f028 wrote:

Mike,
I'll pick up a copy on Friday and take with my laptop
to Geneva on Sunday. I should be able to isolate which responses I
will need help on.
Still not looked through in detail but the preliminary sentences
for each reviewer seem favourable.
If there are any issues re Scott's figures can you get in touch with
him.
More on Friday.
Cheers
Phil

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Professor Michael E. Mann
Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA 22903
_______________________________________________________________________
e-mail: mannatXYZxyzginia.edu Phone: (434) 924-7770 FAX: (434) 982-2137
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Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk
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______________________________________________________________
Professor Michael E. Mann
Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA 22903
_______________________________________________________________________
e-mail: mannatXYZxyzginia.edu Phone: (434) 924-7770 FAX: (434) 982-2137
[2]http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml

Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK
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