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cc: "Briffa Keith Prof \(ENV\)" <K.BriffaatXYZxyz.ac.uk>, "Jones Philip Prof \(ENV\)" <P.JonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk>
date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:21:25 +0000
from: Tim Osborn <t.osbornatXYZxyz.ac.uk>
subject: Re: FW: FOI_08-50 ; EIR_08-01
to: "Palmer Dave Mr \(LIB\)" <David.PalmeratXYZxyz.ac.uk>, "Mcgarvie Michael Mr \(ACAD\)" <M.McgarvieatXYZxyz.ac.uk>

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Dave -- are you saying you want us to review and/or send you every
email or document containing McIntyre's name... is that right? And
what about paper records with his name on (e.g. print-outs of
now-deleted emails)?

Tim

At 09:51 25/11/2008, Palmer Dave Mr \(LIB\) wrote:
>Gents,
>Please note the below. I am not in a position to deal with the
>substance of Mr. McIntyre's comments but now have to handle his
>request under DPA (which means a troll through your files for
>material that identifies Mr. McIntyre). Please note that under the
>DPA, comments about an individual are the personal data of that
>individual and subject to access under a DPA subject access
>request. Ergo, I would strongly advise all to be careful in what
>you put in your correspondence.
>As to this specific DPA request, I will require proof of identity,
>�10, and a form before we proceed but I do assume that all will be
>forthcoming upon request. We then have 40 calendar days to respond.
>
>Cheers, Dave
>
>
>----------
>From: Steve McIntyre [mailto:stephen.mcintyre@utoronto.ca]
>Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:28 PM
>To: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB)
>Subject: FOI_08-50 ; EIR_08-01
>
>Dear Mr Palmer,
>
>Dr Philip Jones of your university recently sent the following email
>to 17 climate scientists, commenting unfavorably on my FOI inquiry
>FOI_08-50 ; EIR_08-01. Please note that I had not made any public
>disclosure of this follow-up inquiry. Under the Data Protection
>Act, I request that you provide me with any other "personal records"
>pertaining to me, including any correspondence received by or sent
>by UEA and/or CRU.
>
>In addition, in the email, Jones made false and misleading
>statements regarding my inquiry to you and I request that you deal
>with these statements according to your responsibilities.
>
>Jones said that "we put up all the individual tree-ring series
>(widths, densities)". This statement was untrue. Some ring width
>and density series were not available - they are the ones that I
>requested in Item 5. Had Jones put up "all" the series, then this
>request would have been unnecessary. Because CRU did not put up
>"all" the data, it was entirely reasonable for me to request the
>missing data. Jones' misrepresentation of the inquiry creates a bad
>impression of me, in a situation where the fault lay with CRU.
>
>Jones also complained that I want to "know why some individual
>series were excluded from the chronologies" and complained that "if
>they just did some paleo fieldwork with trees, corals, sediment
>cores they might understand why some samples are excluded." My
>inquiry pertained to inconsistencies between the list of sites
>provided in reponse to my FOI request and the procedures reported in
>the original articles and/or the website and was entirely
>reasonable. I have considerable personal experience with reporting
>requirements for mineral exploration fieldwork, which is strictly
>regulated by securities commissions, and am quite confident that,
>contrary to Jones' allegations, the above inconsistencies do not
>arise out of the exigencies of fieldwork, but out of avoidable
>inaccuracy on the part of CRU in describing the procedures actually
>used. Again, Jones' misrepresentation of the situation creates a
>bad impression of me, when the fault lay with CRU.
>
>Regards, Steve McIntyre
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Phil Jones [<mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk>mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:43 AM
>To: santer1@llnl.gov; Steve McIntyre
>Cc: Thorne, Peter; Leopold Haimberger; Karl Taylor; Tom Wigley; John
>Lanzante; Susan Solomon; Melissa Free; peter gleckler; Thomas R
>Karl; Steve Klein; carl mears; Doug Nychka; Gavin Schmidt; Steven
>Sherwood; Frank Wentz; Professor Glenn McGregor
>Subject: Re: FW: Santer et al 2008
>
>
>
> Ben,
> Your response is already up on the Climate Audit site, and when
>I looked there
> were over 50 comments. Don't feel picked on - we in CRU had another
>FOI request
> related to tree-ring data yesterday as well. It is in a similar
>vein. We put up all
> the individual tree-ring series (widths, densities) - i.e. what we
>consider the raw
> data. He already had the chronologies. He now wants to know why
>some individual
> series were excluded from the chronologies and why some chronologies were
> excluded in subsequent analyses. This time they have asked for manuals,
> computer code and correspondence explaining the exclusions! It
>seems neverending.
> If they just did some paleo fieldwork with trees, corals,
> sediment cores they
> might understand why some samples are excluded.
>
> I would urge the 4 NOAA people on the paper to make a joint response to the
> FOI request when it filters through that the raw data for our paper are all
> publically available. I know it's not in their (skeptic) make up,
>but the sooner they
> get their hands dirty with the sorts of analyses we/you've done for
>this and many
> other papers the better. They seem only to want to come in at the
>interpretational
> end, particularly on the statistical side.
>
> Cheers
> Phil
>
>At 20:10 10/11/2008, Ben Santer wrote:
> >Dear Mr. McIntyre,
> >
> >I gather that your intent is to "audit" the findings of our
> >recently-published paper in the International Journal of Climatology
> >(IJoC). You are of course free to do so. I note that both the
> >gridded model and observational datasets used in our IJoC paper are
> >freely available to researchers. You should have no problem in
> >accessing exactly the same model and observational datasets that we
> >employed. You will need to do a little work in order to calculate
> >synthetic Microwave Sounding Unit (MSU) temperatures from climate
> >model atmospheric temperature information. This should not pose any
> >difficulties for you. Algorithms for calculating synthetic MSU
> >temperatures have been published by ourselves and others in the
> >peer-reviewed literature. You will also need to calculate
> >spatially-averaged temperature changes from the gridded model and
> >observational data. Again, that should not be too taxing.
> >
> >In summary, you have access to all the raw information that you
> >require in order to determine whether the conclusions reached in our
> >IJoC paper are sound or unsound. I see no reason why I should do
> >your work for you, and provide you with derived quantities (zonal
> >means, synthetic MSU temperatures, etc.) which you can easily
> compute yourself.
> >
> >I am copying this email to all co-authors of the 2008 Santer et al.
> >IJoC paper, as well as to Professor Glenn McGregor at IJoC.
> >
> >I gather that you have appointed yourself as an independent arbiter
> >of the appropriate use of statistical tools in climate research.
> >Rather that "auditing" our paper, you should be directing your
> >attention to the 2007 IJoC paper published by David Douglass et al.,
> >which contains an egregious statistical error.
> >
> >Please do not communicate with me in the future.
> >
> >Ben Santer
> >Steve McIntyre wrote:
> >>Could you please reply to the request below, Regards, Steve McIntyre
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>*From:* Steve McIntyre
> [<mailto:stephen.mcintyre@utoronto.ca>mailto:stephen.mcintyre@utoronto.ca]
> >>*Sent:* Monday, October 20, 2008 1:29 PM
> >>*To:* ' (santer1@llnl.gov)'
> >>*Subject:* Santer et al 2008
> >>Dear Dr Santer,
> >>
> >>Could you please provide me either with the monthly model data (49
> >>series) used for statistical analysis in Santer et al 2008 or a
> >>link to a URL. I understand that your version has been collated
> >>from PCMDI ; my interest is in a file of the data as you used it (I
> >>presume that the monthly data used for statistics is about 1-2 MB) .
> >>
> >>Thank you for your attention,
> >>
> >>Steve McIntyre
> >
> >
> >--
> >-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >-----
> >Benjamin D. Santer
> >Program for Climate Model Diagnosis and Intercomparison
> >Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
> >P.O. Box 808, Mail Stop L-103
> >Livermore, CA 94550, U.S.A.
> >Tel: (925) 422-3840
> >FAX: (925) 422-7675
> >email: santer1atXYZxyzl.gov
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Prof. Phil Jones
>Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
>School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
>University of East Anglia
>Norwich Email p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk
>NR4 7TJ
>UK
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

Dr Timothy J Osborn, Academic Fellow
Climatic Research Unit
School of Environmental Sciences
University of East Anglia
Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK

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