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date: Fri Oct 31 17:02:03 2003
from: Keith Briffa <k.briffaatXYZxyz.ac.uk>
subject: Re: M&M final preliminary response
to: Tim Osborn <t.osbornatXYZxyz.ac.uk>

Tim
added in abit of pointed sentence at the end to emphasise where we stand re MBH versus MM -
though it says nothing directly about who is right/wrong. Do what you like as regards edit
- but do post to the CLIMLIST
at least if you can.
Have a good weekend
Keith
At 04:44 PM 10/31/03 +0000, you wrote:

Mike,
I'm glad we have a final version at last. It's getting late now but we will do our best
to get this out today.
(1) Mike will you circulate your response around "friends and allies" please.
(2) I've posted it on to a (currently unlinked) webpage. Only had time for quick
explanation of why its there. Could have done better with more time, but... oh well.
See:
[1]http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/paleo/
(3) Keith is emailing Heike at Nature with it.
(4) We will jointly (also with Phil) circulate it to CLIMLIST SKEPTICS ETC. here is our
proposed note, but little time for editing I'm afraid.
"In response to the postings related to the McIntyre and McKitrick (Energy and
Environment, 14, 751-771, 2003) study of the Northern Hemisphere temperature
reconstruction previously published by Mann, Bradley and Hughes (Nature, 392, 779-787,
1998; hereafter MBH98)...
We suggest that those interested in the claim made by McIntyre and McKitrick (MM) should
also read the initial response from Mann and his colleagues.
It is plain that there are serious questions regarding the manner in which MM have
attempted to implement the Mann et al. method, and specific problems with the selection
of predictors. Amazingly, the journal "Energy and Environment" that published the MM
work, made no attempt to provide Mann et al. with the opportunity to review the MM paper
or establish the details of the MM work."
Objective readers , with a desire to get to the "truth" of this issue , would do well
not to jump to premature conclusions and, unlike Energy and Environment , at least allow
these respected, experienced, and invariably carefull researchers the curtesy of a
considered response , after they have had time to study the so-called audit in detail.
Tim
At 16:00 31/10/2003, Michael E. Mann wrote:

Great Keith, Great!
I've attached, then, the final version with the two additional "censors" I found
changed. So lets make sure to use the attached pdf final version.
Can we confirm the procedure now. As I understand it, you guys have an email already to
go to all the various list serves to which we'll attach the statement.
As an alternative, can you also post our pdf file on the CRU website, so recipients have
two ways to get to our statement, if they can't read the attachment, etc.?
Oh, and I don't want to try to put any constraints on what you three want to write, but
can Ray and I see that too before you send out, just to make sure everything seems fine?
Thanks so much,
mike
At 03:38 PM 10/31/2003 +0000, Keith Briffa wrote:

Mike Ray Malcolm
I am happy with this now and feel it could go.
Keith
At 10:46 AM 10/31/03 -0500, Michael E. Mann wrote:

oops--there is one "censored" that still has to be changed.
Let me know if there are any additional comments and I'll incorporporate into one last
final version once I hear back.
Thanks,
mike

Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:31:48 -0500
To: "raymond s. bradley" <rbradleyatXYZxyz.umass.edu>, Keith Briffa <k.briffaatXYZxyz.ac.uk>,
phil Jones <p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk>, tim Osborn <t.osbornatXYZxyz.ac.uk>
From: "Michael E. Mann" <mannatXYZxyzginia.edu>
Subject: Re: Malcolm just called READ THIS NOW
thanks a bunch ray,
Keith, Tim, (Phil?), what do you guys think now?
mike
At 10:24 AM 10/31/2003 -0500, raymond s. bradley wrote:

looks good to me...i think these final changes alleviate Malcolm's concerns and adding
his name will be ok with him
ray
At 10:15 AM 10/31/2003 -0500, you wrote:

All of Malcolm's suggestions are right on target and in keeping w/ advice from people w/
a legal background I've talked to.
So all of those changes have been made.
Can you guys give this one final read through and just say if you think this is now
adequate for release. Sorry for the multiple emails--its the nature of the beast...
mike
p.s. I'm trying to talk Andy Revkin at the New York Times into doing a story on this...
At 09:50 AM 10/31/2003 -0500, raymond s. bradley wrote:

mike:
I just spoke to MKH (he'll call you as soon as he can). I read him the latest
version...
He requests:
1) changing word "censor" to "remove" throughout text;
2) use phrase "appear to have" rather than definitive statements like "have" when
refering to MM actions.
3) Eliminate words "reputable scientific journal" (see my suggestion below that I was
writing as he called...)
He doesn't want to be included unless these changes are made. If they are, he's happy
to sign on. He just wants to make it watertight so they can't come back at us...
I agree with these suggested changes.
In the original version that I edited, the text read:
Journals that receive critical comments on a previously published papers always provide
the authors who are being criticized an opportunity to review the study prior to
publication, and offer them the chance to respond. This is standard operating procedure
in all peer-reviewed scientific journals. Mann and colleagues [We] were never given
this opportunity.
I think this is all that is needed on this matter....
Ray

______________________________________________________________
Professor Michael E. Mann
Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA 22903
_______________________________________________________________________
e-mail: mannatXYZxyzginia.edu Phone: (434) 924-7770 FAX: (434) 982-2137
[2]http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml

Raymond S. Bradley
Distinguished Professor
Director, Climate System Research Center*
Department of Geosciences
Morrill Science Center
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AMHERST, MA 01003-9297
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______________________________________________________________
Professor Michael E. Mann
Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA 22903
_______________________________________________________________________
e-mail: mannatXYZxyzginia.edu Phone: (434) 924-7770 FAX: (434) 982-2137
[5]http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml

______________________________________________________________
Professor Michael E. Mann
Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA 22903
_______________________________________________________________________
e-mail: mannatXYZxyzginia.edu Phone: (434) 924-7770 FAX: (434) 982-2137
[6]http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml

--
Professor Keith Briffa,
Climatic Research Unit
University of East Anglia
Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K.
Phone: +44-1603-593909
Fax: +44-1603-507784
[7]http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa/

______________________________________________________________
Professor Michael E. Mann
Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA 22903
_______________________________________________________________________
e-mail: mannatXYZxyzginia.edu Phone: (434) 924-7770 FAX: (434) 982-2137
[8]http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml

Dr Timothy J Osborn
Climatic Research Unit
School of Environmental Sciences, University of East Anglia
Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK
e-mail: t.osbornatXYZxyz.ac.uk
phone: +44 1603 592089
fax: +44 1603 507784
web: [9]http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/
sunclock: [10]http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/sunclock.htm

--
Professor Keith Briffa,
Climatic Research Unit
University of East Anglia
Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K.

Phone: +44-1603-593909
Fax: +44-1603-507784
[11]http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa[12]/

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