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date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:12:57 +0100
from: Rob Wilson <rjswatXYZxyzandrews.ac.uk>
subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Ozzy TR data]
to: Phil Jones <p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk>

Hi Phil,
indeed - an e-mail from the RS has just come into my Inbox.
I have to think about this carefully as, in general, I am very uncomfortable with
discussing anything with the media.
I have purposely tried not to comment on the Yamal issue despite Steve Mac's attempts to
draw me in.
I will probably make a very generic response to the RS and say that a response from Keith
will be forth coming next week. Thanks for giving me the heads up.
I am busy developing a large network of pines from Scotland at the moment and this species
is incredibly sensitive to site differences, management influences etc. I am not surprised
that there could be some 'odd' sites in the Russian data.
hope you have a good weekend
Rob
Phil Jones wrote:

A
Rob,
Good to have this support letter from Rosanne.
I'll be working on the draft text over the weekend. My wife has some plans for me
though, so I hope I can find some quality time.
Was in London yesterday for the RS/RMetS meeting in UKCP09. Someone from the RS has
just called - they've been contacted by the Wall St Journal. They tried to find me last
night but I left the drinks reception at about 8pm, and they rang after this time!
Anyway the press person at the RS is going to contact you - by email hopefully as
well as phone. It may be that the WSJ have run with their story anyway! The RS wanted
someone good to talk on the issue.
I haven't said what the issue is - Yamal trees!
Keith and Tom have almost finished their piece - should be up on Monday. I've read
through it once and it seems OK. Goes into lots of detail. Upshot is that they now have
all the modern trees from the 3 sites where Rashit Hantemirov took modern cores. They
are sites YAD, POR and JAH. For some reason the Russians only used a few modern series
(12 or 17). Keith and Tom have added all in now and the Schweingruber site. Result with
all in looks like the 2008 paper. They will have plots of all sites (4) separately and
together.
The Schweingruber site is the odd one - and it's also further from where the majority
of the sub fossil stuff comes from. The total number of trees going in when all are
put through RCS is over 100.
As you're fully aware there are lots of local non-climatic factors that can
influence trees. Even though all the sites are all with a few hundred km of each other,
you can't just cut some out and add others in. You could on these scales with
temperature sites, but trees are different.
Cheers
Phil
t 09:21 16/10/2009, you wrote:

Hi Phil,
Rosanne sent this on Monday and have been meaning to forward it to you.
Have been completely bogged down this week.
However, I am free again if you need any more text (or proof reading) before Monday
Rob
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Subject: Re: Ozzy TR data
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:17:22 -0400
From: Rosanne D'Arrigo [1]<rdd@ldeo.columbia.edu>
To: Rob Wilson [2]<rjsw@st-andrews.ac.uk>
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Rob - hows this - feel free to
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Dr. Rob Wilson
Lecturer in Physical Geography
School of Geography & Geosciences
University of St Andrews
St Andrews. FIFE
KY16 9AL
Scotland. U.K.
Tel: +44 01334 463914
Fax: +44 01334 463949

[19]
http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/gg/people/wilson/

".....I have wondered about trees.

They are sensitive to light, to moisture, to wind, to pressure.
Sensitivity implies sensation. Might a man feel into the soul of a tree
for these sensations? If a tree were capable of awareness, this faculty
might prove useful. "

"The Miracle Workers" by Jack Vance
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cheers
R
On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Rob Wilson wrote:

Hi Rosanne,
here is one from Ricardo.
It might help to give you ideas
Rob
Rosanne D'Arrigo wrote:

Rob - would be great if you could send me an outline/template of what we need to say?
cheers
R
On Oct 12, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Rob Wilson wrote:

Hi Rosanne and Ed,
sorry for slow reply - got swamped with a 1st year field trip over the weekend
I think I am starting to lose the energy to pursue any PhD related activities as part of
the Consortium Grant.
Unless you think that there might be some serious interest to pursue this, the
consortium will probably focus on compiling TR and other proxy records that are already
published and available.
As project partners, we will be needing letters of support from you. When you have the
time, can you send it (them?) to Phil and I.
many thanks
Rob
Rosanne D'Arrigo wrote:

hi Rob,

Jonathan Palmer and Patrick Baker collected samples together a few times, once or twice
with my funding for travel, wood processing etc.
we published 2 papers on this work. We are beginning to collaborate with Lou
Cullen/Pauline Grierson from western Australia, who have
also worked on Callitris and published a recent paper (see attached for all 3 papers for
locations etc)
cheers
Rosanne
On Oct 1, 2009, at 4:05 AM, Rob Wilson wrote:

Hi Ed and Rosanne,
OK - it looks like quite a bit of work is being done already.
This whole project is already making me nervous as I don't want to tread on any toes and
from a data generation point of view, it seems that much work is being done already.
Rosanne tweaked my interest with the mainland chronologies she mentioned - where are
these chronologies located and is Lamont the main group doing this work, or are these
chronologies being generated by Baker?
Rob
Edward Cook wrote:

Hi Ros and Rob,
Just an additional warning. I believe that Mike Evans is working with Bowman. I am very
serious about avoiding Bowman at all costs so I would worry about inheriting him with
Mike. Nothing against Mike of course, but I would not work with Bowman in any way under
any circumstances. Working with him would give him credibility that he does not deserve.
Ed
==================================
Dr. Edward R. Cook
Doherty Senior Scholar and
Director, Tree-Ring Laboratory
Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory
Palisades, New York 10964 USA
Email: [20]drdendro@ldeo.columbia.edu
Phone: 845-365-8618
Fax: 845-365-8152
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On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Rosanne D'Arrigo wrote:

Rob,
in addition to Patrick (and Jonathan), we have been or are planning to collaborate with
Mike Evans (who is funded to do some isotopic
work in Australia) and Lou Cullen/Pauline Grierson who are working on Callitris in
western Australia. So, several groups working on mainland
Australia tree rings at the moment (and Bowman of course)...
cheers
Rosanne
On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Edward Cook wrote:

Dear Rob,
I am not opposed to what you are suggesting. Probably the places where a PhD student
could do work in Oz would be (of course) with Janice at AIMS and also with Patrick Baker
at Monash (collaborating with Kathy Allen as well). Patrick is doing a fair degree of
chronology development in Oz oriented towards drought reconstruction. This is in
addition to other activities there by others. As a word of caution, avoid David Bowman
at the Uni in Hobart. He knows nothing useful about dendro, but pretends he does and is
rather aggressive in promoting his case in Oz.
Cheers,
Ed
==================================
Dr. Edward R. Cook
Doherty Senior Scholar and
Director, Tree-Ring Laboratory
Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory
Palisades, New York 10964 USA
Email: [21]drdendro@ldeo.columbia.edu
Phone: 845-365-8618
Fax: 845-365-8152
==================================
On Sep 30, 2009, at 3:10 AM, Rob Wilson wrote:

Hi Rosanne and Ed,
Would you be open to the possibility of a PhD project working with the Australian
Mainland tree-ring data you mentioned.
Rosanne said that some of these data go back ~300 years.
Presumably these chronologies are moisture (ENSO) sensitive, so as well as the obvious
terrestrial drought story, I think there would also be some very interesting comparative
work with GBR coral data. Janice Lough is measuring stable isotopes on some of the
longer GBR samples.
NERC actively encourages PhD students to stay at overseas institutions for certain
periods, so a PhD candidate, as well as doing fieldwork in Australia could spend some
time at Lamont.
what do you think?
Rob

Rosanne D'Arrigo
Associate Director, Biology and Paleoenvironment Division
Senior Research Scientist, Tree-Ring Lab
Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University
[22]rdd@ldeo.columbia.edu
TEL 845-365-8617
FAX 845-365-8152

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Dr. Rob Wilson
Lecturer in Physical Geography
School of Geography & Geosciences
University of St Andrews
St Andrews. FIFE
KY16 9AL
Scotland. U.K.
Tel: +44 01334 463914
Fax: +44 01334 463949

[23]
http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/gg/people/wilson/

".....I have wondered about trees.

They are sensitive to light, to moisture, to wind, to pressure.
Sensitivity implies sensation. Might a man feel into the soul of a tree
for these sensations? If a tree were capable of awareness, this faculty
might prove useful. "

"The Miracle Workers" by Jack Vance
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Rosanne D'Arrigo
Associate Director, Biology and Paleoenvironment Division
Senior Research Scientist, Tree-Ring Lab
Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University
[24]rdd@ldeo.columbia.edu
TEL 845-365-8617
FAX 845-365-8152

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Dr. Rob Wilson
Lecturer in Physical Geography
School of Geography & Geosciences
University of St Andrews
St Andrews. FIFE
KY16 9AL
Scotland. U.K.
Tel: +44 01334 463914
Fax: +44 01334 463949

[25]
http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/gg/people/wilson/

".....I have wondered about trees.

They are sensitive to light, to moisture, to wind, to pressure.
Sensitivity implies sensation. Might a man feel into the soul of a tree
for these sensations? If a tree were capable of awareness, this faculty
might prove useful. "

"The Miracle Workers" by Jack Vance
-----------------------------------------------------------------------



Rosanne D'Arrigo
Associate Director, Biology and Paleoenvironment Division
Senior Research Scientist, Tree-Ring Lab
Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University
[26]rdd@ldeo.columbia.edu
TEL 845-365-8617
FAX 845-365-8152

--
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Dr. Rob Wilson
Lecturer in Physical Geography
School of Geography & Geosciences
University of St Andrews
St Andrews. FIFE
KY16 9AL
Scotland. U.K.
Tel: +44 01334 463914
Fax: +44 01334 463949

[27]
http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/gg/people/wilson/

".....I have wondered about trees.

They are sensitive to light, to moisture, to wind, to pressure.
Sensitivity implies sensation. Might a man feel into the soul of a tree
for these sensations? If a tree were capable of awareness, this faculty
might prove useful. "

"The Miracle Workers" by Jack Vance
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<Villalba-letter of support.pdf>

Rosanne D'Arrigo
Associate Director, Biology and Paleoenvironment Division
Senior Research Scientist, Tree-Ring Lab
Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University
[28]rdd@ldeo.columbia.edu
TEL 845-365-8617
FAX 845-365-8152

Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email [29]p.jones@uea.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK
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Dr. Rob Wilson
Lecturer in Physical Geography
School of Geography & Geosciences
University of St Andrews
St Andrews. FIFE
KY16 9AL
Scotland. U.K.
Tel: +44 01334 463914
Fax: +44 01334 463949

[30]http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/gg/people/wilson/

".....I have wondered about trees.

They are sensitive to light, to moisture, to wind, to pressure.
Sensitivity implies sensation. Might a man feel into the soul of a tree
for these sensations? If a tree were capable of awareness, this faculty
might prove useful. "

"The Miracle Workers" by Jack Vance
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