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date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:57:13 +0100
from: "Mcgarvie Michael Mr \(ACAD\)" <M.McgarvieatXYZxyz.ac.uk>
subject: RE: third email - Don't pass this one on
to: "Jones Philip Prof \(ENV\)" <P.JonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk>

Phil,

Thanks for this and the others. I am sorry that you are continuing to be
subject to these emails

You mention ENV/SCI having a legal team look into matters - I don't
think that this is necessary. If and when appropriate, we would deal
with this through the "misconduct in research" process I mentioned
earlier. The two other emails which you sent through do make
accusations but they have not been made formally to the University, so I
do not propose that I do anything about them. If you felt it
appropriate, I could alert the Head of School to the ongoing issues.

Best wishes

Michael


Michael McGarvie
Senior Faculty Manager
Faculty of Science
Room 0.22C
University of East Anglia
Norwich NR4 7TJ
tel: 01603 593229
fax: 01603 593045
m.mcgarvieatXYZxyz.ac.uk


-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Jones [mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk]
Sent: 20 June 2007 08:49
To: Mcgarvie Michael Mr (ACAD)
Subject: third email - Don't pass this one on


Michael,
This is a bit of an aside. It was sent to me as support.
Don't pass this one on. I will request what the original letter
relates to. I know it relates to a couple of papers which
the journal Climatic Change will publish later this year
(authors at Alfred University and NCAR/UCAR).

Sending it as it indicates NCAR had their legal staff look
at the accusations and found no impropriety whatsoever.
Just wondering if we ENV/SCI/UEA should be thinking about
doing the same?

Sending these emails to you sort of allows me to forget things
for a while, so I can get on with some work!

Cheers
Phil

>Subject: personal
>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:04:11 -0400
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>From: "Wahl, Eugene R" <wahleatXYZxyzred.edu>
>To: "Phil Jones" <p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk>
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>Hi Phil:
>
>Sorry to hear this, but as you mention, it is no surprise. I've been
>purposefully demure in my comments about MM. In complete confidence
>(please share with no one), I will now mention that they formally
>petitioned NCAR and its parent organization UCAR to have them force
>Caspar and me to alter the Wahl-Ammann paper in fall 2005, based on a
>series of charges related in spirit to those you mention below . They
>also made complaint at this time about some comments Kevin Trenberth
had
>made. There was an implied threat of legal action to UCAR.
>
>NCAR had their legal staff look into this, and they concluded that
there
>was no impropriety of any kind, neither scientifically nor in terms of
a
>media advisory that UCAR published on the "hockey stick" that was
>released at the time one of the M's was making a public presentation in
>Washington. In addition to this, the UCAR president mentioned in his
>response letter that it was highly unusual for such a request to be
>brought forth, and it was outside the bounds of normal scientific
>procedure -- to ask the organization to intervene in the relationship
>between authors and editors (the mss was still our explicit private
>property at the time because it was still in the review process, and
>subject to substantial change). If you have interest in seeing the
>original letter from MM and the response, let me know.
>
>So, we are aware of what MM are capable of, at least in the general
>sense that you mention below -- any kind of misinterpretation and
>misrepresentation possible will be used, along with threats to us and
to
>our organizations.
>
>Any reflection you care to offer on how you are dealing with their
claim
>of "fabrication" in your case would be worth hearing. I wish you
>strength.
>
>Peace, Gene
>
>
>*******************************
>
>Dr. Eugene R. Wahl
>Asst. Professor of Environmental Studies
>Alfred University
>
>1 Saxon Drive
>Alfred NY, 14802
>
>607.871.2604
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Phil Jones [mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:16 AM
>To: Wahl, Eugene R
>Subject: RE: Ammann-Wahl paper
>
>
> Gene,
> When you're with Caspar can you remind him about the Wengen
paper?
> Enjoy the two trips.
>
> I doubt MM and CA will express any surprise at your fairness.
They
>will
> misinterpret any which way they can.
>
> They are now having a go at my paper from 1990 in Nature. I am
> now accused of fabrication ! The data analysed were 42 pairs of
> annual station averages (one rural set and one urban) for 30 years
> (1954-1983). There is not much that can be done with such short
> series or so few. I averaged the 42 sites together in each set
> and looked at trends over the 30 years - end of story.
>
> The only thing about China is that rural isn't that rural by
>western standards.
>
> Cheers
> Phil
>
>
>At 17:05 18/06/2007, you wrote:
> >Thanks Phil, and for the shot in the arm about " You'll be glad when
> >the two papers are out, despite what CA says".
> >
> >I think you are quite right. And Steve Schneider handled the entire
> >process very well with extensive review and re-review. And we
> >responded in detail to all comments, of every kind. MM may actually
> >be a bit surprised in the second paper -- I think we are very fair
> >with what we say overall about their critiques, and the seriousness
> >with which we take their critiques, e.g., the verification RE
> >benchmarking issue. However, since scientific balance is apparently
> >not their target, I am sure that the head of steam up will occur.
> >
> >Please note that I will be out of contact June 20-July 9, and then
> >with Caspar at NCAR through August 8. Regular email contact during
> >the NCAR month.
> >
> >Peace, Gene
> >________________________________
> >
> >From: Phil Jones [mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk]
> >Sent: Mon 6/18/2007 3:46 AM
> >To: Wahl, Eugene R
> >Subject: RE: Ammann-Wahl paper
> >
> > Gene,
> > Don't worry about asking. I fully understand. I will get around
> > to reading the paper in the next week or so. When the two come
> > out (Nov I think you said) expect CA to be a head of steam up.
> > They have at the moment re exposure of US HCN sites and also
> > IPCC's dealing with reviews of the paleo chapter and the author's
> > responses.
> >
> > You'll be glad when the two papers are out, despite what CA
says.
> >
> > I have had some threats - mainly directed at one of my
co-author's
> > from a paper in 1990 on urbanization effects. The threat is that
the
> > person will send a letter to his University (in this case SUNY at
>Albany)
> > saying the research is flawed. It isn't of course, but it is a
sign
>of the
> > times. The threat is that he should withdraw his contribution to
my
> > paper from Nature !
> >
> > Cheers
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >At 20:55 15/06/2007, you wrote:
> > >You are welcome, Phil. Thanks for the sensitivity, only sorry to
> > >have to ask. We'd be curious to hear your thoughts.
> > >
> > >Peace, Gene
> > >________________________________
> > >
> > >From: Phil Jones [mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk]
> > >Sent: Fri 6/15/2007 4:50 AM
> > >To: Wahl, Eugene R; juergatXYZxyzb.unibe.ch
> > >Subject: RE: Ammann-Wahl paper
> > >
> > > Gene,
> > > Thanks for the paper. Fully understand the issues, so will
> > > keep within CRU - well just Keith and Tim and then only
> > > if necessary.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Phil
> > >
> > >
> > >At 02:38 15/06/2007, Wahl, Eugene R wrote:
> > > >Hi Phil and Juerg:
> > > >
> > > >Here is the Ammann-Wahl paper as promised. We received letter of
> > > >final acceptance and movement to "in press" status yesterday from
> > > >Stephen Schneider. We would ask that distribution be kept
limited
> > > >until it actually comes out in hard copy (scheduled for the
>November
> > > >2007 issue of Climatic Change) so that its chances of getting to
> > > >McIntyre (et al.) are reduced, and thus the the probability is
> > > >decreased that he/they will have chance to attack it before it is
> > > >fully available to the public--as they almost certainly would if
>the
> > > >opportunity arises. Weird to need to consider such things, but
>that
> > > >is the state of our science re: this particular paper.
> > > >
> > > >However, you should certainly feel free to share it within your
> > > >research groups.
> > > >
> > > >Peace, Gene
> > > >Dr. Eugene R. Wahl
> > > >Asst. Professor of Environmental Studies
> > > >Alfred University
> > > >
> > > >607-871-2604
> > > >1 Saxon Drive
> > > >Alfred, NY 14802
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >Prof. Phil Jones
> > >Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
> > >School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
> > >University of East Anglia
> > >Norwich Email p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk
> > >NR4 7TJ
> > >UK
> >
>
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> > >
> >
> >Prof. Phil Jones
> >Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
> >School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
> >University of East Anglia
> >Norwich Email p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk
> >NR4 7TJ
> >UK
>
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> >
>
>Prof. Phil Jones
>Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
>School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
>University of East Anglia
>Norwich Email p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk
>NR4 7TJ
>UK
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Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK
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