cc: firstname.lastname@example.org,"Keith Briffa" <k.briffaatXYZxyz.ac.uk>
date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:42:21 +0100
from: Clare Goodess <C.GoodessatXYZxyz.ac.uk>
subject: Re: [Fwd: Climate discussion on Friday]
to: P.Jones@uea.ac.uk,"Tim Osborn" <t.osbornatXYZxyz.ac.uk>
Thanks for this. Have made some minor suggested changes to attached.
I know that responding to skeptics is time consuming - but not sure
it is a research issue, so maybe not appropriate to include. Though I
guess it's wrapped up in communication issues which are already mentioned.
At 08:02 30/04/2009, P.JonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk wrote:
> Seems fine! Change Humidity to Relative Humidity.
> Also there is responding to the skeptic claims
> - as Andrew Dlugolecki has had to do.
> This can be media, journal papers etc. Why it hasn't
> warmed much over the last few years is one such thing.
> Solar Constant now is 1361 W/m*m! AR5 runs will go with
> whatever they have now, as it will take modelling centres
> 1-2 years to retune their models. Most have 1366-1370!
> > Hi Phil, Keith and Clare,
> > Clare and I discussed this and thought we could put together a short
> > statement to help set the scene for Friday's discussion.
> > We can perhaps even circulate paper copies at the meeting on Friday
> > (Alistair didn't ask for a powerpoint presentation), or at least use
> > it ourselves when introducing our ideas about climate research in the
> > next decade.
> > I've put together the attached document, drawing in some of Phil's
> > suggestions (datasets, drought, humidity decline, re-analysis) and
> > some ideas from Clare.
> > What do you think? Too long? Wrong direction/emphasis? Omitting
> > anything major?
> > Comments or tracked changes welcome!
> > Tim
> > At 13:33 28/04/2009, P.JonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk wrote:
> >> Tim, Clare,
> >> Not that keen on tipping points!
> >> The big questions in my mind are:
> >> - follow up from UKCP09
> >> - keeping CRU datasets up to date (may not be new, but this keeps the
> >> CRU
> >> name in the forefront)
> >> - CRU datasets are used by many as there source of what is happening.
> >> We
> >> need to watch them as well. This involves some media and other
> >> responses
> >> to counter skeptics
> >> - adding PDSI to the list we monitor
> >> - explaining why there has been a dramatic decline in RH in the past 3
> >>years (this is very, very new!)
> >> - improving the input data that enters Reanalyses (these will
> >> eventually be that good, that we will be monitoring extremes
> >> using Reanalyses within a 10-year timeframe)
> >> Amend and add. Probably needs a paleo one or two
> >> and some from our EPSRC/EU projects.
> >> I do think the skeptics are going to make a big effort in the
> >> coming year or two. Science may appear to be done and dusted,
> >> but there are still loads of skeptics out there.
> >> Can you prepare a couple of ppt, as I won't have time.
> >> Doesn't look as though there is an agenda coming from Bob, Trevor.
> >> Cheers
> >> Phil
> >>---------------------------- Original Message
> >> ----------------------------
> >>Subject: Climate discussion on Friday
> >>From: "Alastair Grant" <A.GrantatXYZxyz.ac.uk>
> >>Date: Tue, April 28, 2009 12:41 pm
> >>To: "'Jordan Andy Prof \(ENV\)'" <A.JordanatXYZxyz.ac.uk>
> >> "'Andrew Watson'" <a.watsonatXYZxyz.ac.uk>
> >> "'Phil Jones'" <p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk>
> >> t.osbornatXYZxyz.ac.uk
> >> "'M Hulme'" <M.HulmeatXYZxyz.ac.uk>
> >> "'Turner Kerry Prof \(ENV\)'" <R.K.TurneratXYZxyz.ac.uk>
> >>As you know, we have a roundtable discussion about climate on Friday
> >>afternoon. Can I ask you to think in advance about what you see as the
> >> key
> >>research questions and unsolved problems that climate research will have
> >> to
> >>address over the next decade? Think about the issues that require
> >>integration across disciplines as well as the problems that are specific
> >> to
> >>your particular discipline. Don't confine yourself to the things that we
> >>currently do, and please do discuss these questions with colleagues
> >>Andy (Watson) - it would be helpful if you could say a bit about the
> >>"tipping points" ideas as well as your other activities.
> >>Please come along ready to summarise your ideas in a couple of minutes -
> >> we
> >>aren't looking for research seminars, or presentations of past
> >> achievements,
> >>so there is no need to prepare powerpoint presentations. We're wanting
> >> to
> >>do a "foresight" exercise, to identify the next big questions and how we
> >> can
> >>contribute towards answering the big questions. There will be space
> >> for
> >>others to contribute their thoughts, but we did want to prompt your
> >> thinking
> >>in advance to make sure that we tap into the thoughts of key players from
> >>across the disciplines represented in ENV.
> >>I'm sending this out because Jacquie is away, but it comes from us both.
> >> If
> >>you have any questions, please give me a call.
> >>Professor Alastair Grant
> >>Deputy Head of School
> >>School of Environmental Sciences
> >>University of East Anglia, Norwich, NR4 7TJ, UK
> >>Phone +44 1603 592537
> > Dr Timothy J Osborn, Academic Fellow
> > Climatic Research Unit
> > School of Environmental Sciences
> > University of East Anglia
> > Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK
> > e-mail: t.osbornatXYZxyz.ac.uk
> > phone: +44 1603 592089
> > fax: +44 1603 507784
> > web: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/
> > sunclock: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/sunclock.htm
Dr Clare Goodess
Climatic Research Unit
School of Environmental Sciences
University of East Anglia
Tel: +44 -1603 592875
Fax: +44 -1603 507784
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