Sunday, June 3, 2012

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date: Thu Apr 2 10:35:07 2009
from: Phil Jones <p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk>
subject: Re: Final version of agenda?
to: Tom Wigley <wigleyatXYZxyzr.edu>

Tom,
We have to waste time when someone sends in an FOI
request. It is against the law not to reply - and we have a limited time to
reply (20-30 days - can't remember the exact time).
He is David Holland. He is a retired engineer living in Northampton.
He thinks there is a cover up on how Ch 6 of AR4 was written. He wants to
know why some text was changed in the various drafts and in response to
what comments. All relates to the last 1000 years proxy series. He seems to
think that Keith shouldn't have referred to papers by Ammann/Wahl and
Wahl/Ammann that have now appeared in Climatic Change. He also
specifically wants to know if we were sent these by Caspar/Gene or
Mike Mann or IPCC!
Doing IPCC you get sent loads of papers by people who think they
ought to be referred to in Chapters. Kevin and I got quite a few sent
when we were doing Ch 3. Holland seems to think we should be logging
these somehow.
Holland has never done any reviewing. There is another way to receive
papers before they come out.....
Here's a link that comes up if you google David Holland Climate.
He writes to places like this and Climate Audit and sends submissions to
reports such as the Garnaut Review is Australia. If the latter has any sense they ignore
the missives.
[1]http://www.garnautreview.org.au/CA25734E0016A131/WebObj/D0830755GeneralSubmission-David
Holland-DeficienciesintheIPCCFourthAssessmentReportofTheScientificBasisofClimateChange/$Fil
e/D08%2030755%20General%20Submission%20-%20David%20Holland%20-%20Deficiencies%20in%20the%20
IPCC%20Fourth%20Assessment%20Report%20of%20The%20Scientific%20Basis%20of%20Climate%20Change
.pdf
The above is awful, so don't bother to wade through it - not even if you're stuck at an
airport.
Cheers
Phil
At 10:09 02/04/2009, you wrote:

Phil,
Don't waste time replying to this in detail, but who is
Holland and what is his reason for wanting the emails?
Tom.
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Phil Jones wrote:

Ben,
Glad that Malcolm is able to come. I've sent on Malcolm's acceptance to
Keith here. Agenda looks good and having all
- reception/dinner as well at NCAR will enable all to discuss/mingle, whatever.
Let's hope the long June day is sunny.
Would seem as though you can send this out to all those who've said they can
come and to those who've not responded so far.
We just need to decide if the video link is possible. The 7/8 hr time difference
with the UK/Europe means that any here will likely not stay beyond the mid-afternoon.
See you on Monday!
Cheers
Phil
PS talking of McIntyre, Keith, Tim and I have a meeting with the FOI people here at
UEA later today. A UK person (David Holland) has appealed UEA's refusal to send emails
about who said what/changed what re Ch 6 of AR4. We have emails from all on Ch 6 saying
that they don't want their emails sent on, so don't think there are any grounds.
Holland
is trying also on EIR (Environmental Information Regulations) as well as FOI. He also
included emails from Caspar Ammann and Mike Mann as well. Will let you know
Monday what happens.
The whole thing is a pain. The FOI person sent all the correspondence yesterday -
~ 25 emails, including the UEA responses each time. Has been going on since March 2008!
At 01:27 02/04/2009, Ben Santer wrote:

Dear Lisa,
Your edited version of the agenda looks great to me. I'm happy with all the changes
you've made.
I fully approve of having the dinner at NCAR.
Incidentally, I'll be meeting Anjuli Bamzai at next week's Climate Change Prediction
Program meeting in Washington D.C., and at that time I'll try to clarify the most
efficient way of using my DOE Fellowship money to cover the Symposium expenses.
Regarding the musical entertainment - Karl Taylor and I had something specific in mind.
Karl is currently writing some form of musical tribute to Tom (I don't want to give too
much away here!) Karl and I both play the guitar, and have provided similar "musical
interludes" in the past (e.g., at Larry Gates' retirement dinner). So we would not need
to make arrangements with an outside venue to cover the musical entertainment. It would
be very helpful, however, if we could borrow two guitars for the evening - this would
mean that we wouldn't have to lug our own guitars from Livermore to Boulder.
With best regards,
Ben
Lisa Butler wrote:

Ben,
I'm attaching a version here with my info (Wigley_Agenda10-LB). Feel free to use or
toss, as you wish -- my stuff is trivial, but here is what I've done:
1) Formatting: I changed the margins and spacing so it would all fit on one page. Just
my personal preference. Disregard if you think it looks too crowded.
2) Heading: I just made it a little more formal, added location info.
3) Nit picking: added "noon" after 12:00; added "p.m." after 12:30; added a bit of info
re lunch; corrected spelling of "Griffith" (Palutikof).
That's it for now, but if we can get a consensus on the dinner we can add that location
too (just say "at NCAR" since I still need to tie down Tree Plaza vs. Cafe). ****Does
anyone object to having it at NCAR? Speak now or forever hold your peace!****
I think the reception and dinner schedules are fine. Especially the reception -- I find
that people start to get antsy after about 45 minutes. If we are going to hold the
dinner at NCAR I think I will extend the dinner reservation to 9:30 p.m. or 10:00 p.m.
(depending on entertainment), just to be on the safe side.
Also, a new question from me: do you have something specific in mind for the live music
or should I be shopping for it? I didn't realize we were going to have music, but if we
are, I think it's another reason to have the dinner at NCAR, rather than having to make
arrangements with an outside venue to accommodate our entertainment.
Best,
Lisa
Ben Santer wrote:

Many thanks, Lisa!
Best regards,
Ben
Lisa Butler wrote:

Ben, I do have a couple of comments, a few informational items you may want to add. I'm
working on it now and will get back to you shortly.
Thanks,
Lisa
Ben Santer wrote:

Dear Tom, Phil, and Lisa,
Here is the complete agenda, with all speakers now confirmed. Is there anything you
would like me to change before I send this out to the meeting participants? Lisa, should
we say anything about the location of the reception? Do the times look right for the
reception (45 minutes) and the dinner (90 minutes)?
With best regards,
Ben
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Benjamin D. Santer
Program for Climate Model Diagnosis and Intercomparison
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
P.O. Box 808, Mail Stop L-103
Livermore, CA 94550, U.S.A.
Tel: (925) 422-3840
FAX: (925) 422-7675
email: santer1atXYZxyzl.gov
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Benjamin D. Santer
Program for Climate Model Diagnosis and Intercomparison
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
P.O. Box 808, Mail Stop L-103
Livermore, CA 94550, U.S.A.
Tel: (925) 422-3840
FAX: (925) 422-7675
email: santer1atXYZxyzl.gov
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Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK
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Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK
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