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date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 04:21:39 -0400
from: "Michael E. Mann" <mannatXYZxyzeo.psu.edu>
subject: Re: Fwd: IUGG XXIV, 2007 - Perugia, Italy
to: Phil Jones <p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk>

Hi Phil, was just about to log out and got your message. I think we will be spending most
of our time exploring Umbria, but hopefully we'll catch up w/ Caspar when he's in town, and
also Drew Shindell who is here w/ his family...
The UK FOIA seems like a real pain. What McIntyre and his ilk are trying to do is to make
doing science as unpleasant as possible for us. I suppose they think that discouraging the
scientists is the best way to prevent the science from moving forward. Its really
disgusting, and hopefully folks from higher up realize what is going on. What about the
legal folks at CRU, are they providing any help??
mike
Phil Jones wrote:

Mike,
I think many people at IAMAS will be a long way from the conference centre.
I'd just go along to the session and enjoy Umbria the rest of the time. You
might find wireless there, so maybe add an extra hour or two to get some
decent connection time.
For the UK FOIA, anybody can make a request. The UK Act isn't limited to
UK citizens. It seems this isn't generally realized even within the UK. This was
the first thing I tried in order not to comply back in Feb. Our Act also applies to
all data - regardless of where it comes from, so is not restricted to UK data. The
Canadian Act is also this wideranging.
So if I'd written a paper about some Martian data, then a person from Venus could
ask me for it !!!! The Act in the UK clearly wasn't designed that well!
Ciao
Phil
At 18:36 02/07/2007, you wrote:

thanks Phil,
well, just arrived in Perugia, unfortunately only have modem internet capability, so
will be a challenge to keep up this week. Our hotel is far from the conference center,
so probably I'll just go in for the day of our session, and we'll to daytrips the rest
of the week. Thanks for the tips on Spoleto and Gubbio. We're looking into this...
by the way, how can McIntyre issue an FOIA request to you. He's a Canadian!!
talk to you later,
mike
Phil Jones wrote:

Mike,
Hope you are enjoying the break in Italy. Il Ciocco was a great meeting -
back in 1995. I produced a book from it with Ray and Jean.
Not yet the Science comments - but will when I get some time. Saw that
CA come down on Burger's side. Loads of off the wall comments about site
numbers around the world. There are about 20 (maybe less) well-dated high-res
series for the whole of the millennium. McIntyre claims there are hundreds
available to Keith! If only there were .....
Just got another FOIA request from McIntyre about some of the statistics
we've used in Table 3.2 and 3.3 of Ch 3 of AR4. Forwarded to David Parker to
see how we might respond, if we do. Relates to our use of Durbin-Watson
D-Statistics. We had them in an early draft, but for space we withdrew them
as all the trends passed.
Nothing really RC can do. You might like to check with NCDC when you
get back about all the FOIA requests they are getting re IPCC and also
the HCN network. NOAA have sent an email to all observers (co-ops) saying
it is up to them to allow CA people (or not) to take pictures of their sites.
NOAA have withdrawn the site details and observer names from their web site.
Places to visit in Umbria are Spoleto and Gubbio.
Cheers
Phil
Cheers
Phil
At 12:27 29/06/2007, you wrote:

thanks Phil, yeah, will just ignore this. We're in Viareggio right now. A couple days in
Siena afterwards, and then onto Perugia for the meeting. Lorraine's meeting in Il Ciocco
was very nice. As I recall, there was a paleoclimate meeting there some years ago
(before I was in the field)....
saw the exchange between Burger and Keith/Tim in the latest Science. I think they were
clear winners in the exchange. I am unimpressed by Burger, especially in terms of
attitude.
I hope things are ok back in UK. What's the latest w/ McIntyres pestering of you?
Anything we can do (e.g. RealClimate) to help?
talk later,
mike
Phil Jones wrote:

Mike,
You can probably delete this. I would.
Just passing on.
Cheers
Phil

Subject: IUGG XXIV, 2007 - Perugia, Italy
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Prof. Phil Jones
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Michael E. Mann
Associate Professor
Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)

Department of
Meteorology
Phone: (814) 863-4075
503 Walker
Building
FAX: (814) 865-3663
The Pennsylvania State University
email: [7]mann@psu.edu
University Park, PA 16802-5013



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Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email [9]p.jones@uea.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK
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--
Michael E. Mann
Associate Professor
Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)

Department of
Meteorology
Phone: (814) 863-4075
503 Walker
Building
FAX: (814) 865-3663
The Pennsylvania State University
email: [10]mann@psu.edu
University Park, PA 16802-5013

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http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm


Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email [12]p.jones@uea.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK
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--
Michael E. Mann
Associate Professor
Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)

Department of Meteorology Phone: (814) 863-4075
503 Walker Building FAX: (814) 865-3663
The Pennsylvania State University email: [13]mann@psu.edu
University Park, PA 16802-5013

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