Sunday, June 10, 2012

5065.txt

cc: "Press Office" <PressatXYZxyz.ac.uk>
date: Tue, 12 May 2009 16:44:13 +0100
from: "Palmer Dave Mr \(LIB\)" <David.PalmeratXYZxyz.ac.uk>
subject: RE: FW: Data access - request from Ian Hinds
to: "Jones Philip Prof \(ENV\)" <P.JonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk>, "Mcgarvie Michael Mr \(ACAD\)" <M.McgarvieatXYZxyz.ac.uk>

Phil,

Thanks for this. I do think that some thought has to go into our response as the answer
to Mr. Peters is, quite frankly, in our correspondence with Mr. McIntyre, and the response
to Mr. Eschenbach is (a) either you give the data to him (or mount it on the web), or (b)
he puts in a FOIA request as he did in 2007. What I don't know is whether what is being
referred to is any different than what we dealt with back then....

As to a possible s.14, were we to find a link from the website to these individuals, we
might start thinking about invoking s.14, but, there would be quite a stink raised by these
individuals and we, as an organisation, would need to be convinced that the aggro &
publicity would be worth the result.

As Michael stated in his separate email to you, he and I (and our colleagues in the Press
Office) will need to consult on how best to approach this......

In spring, a young man's fancy turns to thoughts of HadCRUT obviously.....



Cheers, Dave
______________________________________________________________________________________

From: Phil Jones [mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:47 PM
To: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB); Mcgarvie Michael Mr (ACAD)
Subject: RE: FW: Data access - request from Ian Hinds

Dave,
Here they are. The first was the person who sent the FOI in 2007.
The second is for an explanation. I don't want to go through that again,
so won't be replying. Any reply would just appear on the CA site.
Neither are specific requests. If I get any more tonight I'll send them.
If the moderator of the CA site hadn't put a new thread up, none
of these emails would have come. It is just a lot of lackeys doing
the moderator's work.
Moderator is a bit of a grand title - but I couldn't think of another polite word.
Cheers
Phil
From: Willis Eschenbach <willisatXYZxyzomon.com.sb>
To: Phil Jones <p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk>
Thread-Topic: Source Data
Thread-Index: AcnSpJfM1qIAWD6XEd68pwAbY5aqXw==
X-Assp-Whitelisted: Yes
X-Assp-Envelope-From: willisatXYZxyzomon.com.sb
X-Assp-Intended-For: p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk
X-Canit-CHI2: 0.00
X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN, f028)
X-Spam-Score: 1.80 (*) [Hold at 5.00] HTML_MESSAGE,MIME_QP_LONG_LINE,SPF(none,0)
X-CanItPRO-Stream: UEA:f028 (inherits from UEA:default,base:default)
X-Canit-Stats-ID: 22008561 - 56709cea0225
X-Antispam-Training-Forget:
[1]https://canit.uea.ac.uk/b.php?i=22008561&m=56709cea0225&c=f
X-Antispam-Training-Nonspam:
[2]https://canit.uea.ac.uk/b.php?i=22008561&m=56709cea0225&c=n
X-Antispam-Training-Spam: [3]https://canit.uea.ac.uk/b.php?i=22008561&m=56709cea0225&c=s
X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 139.222.131.185
Dear Dr. Jones:
On the Hadley Center web site at <[4] http://hadobs.metoffice.com/indicators/index.html>
they say:

To obtain the archive of raw land surface temperature observations used to create
CRUTEM3, you will need to contact Phil Jones at the Climate Research Unit at the
University of East Anglia.

I am interested in obtaining that data. What is the procedure for obtaining it?
Many thanks for your assistance,
w.
From: Doug Peters <dwpetersatXYZxyzglobal.net>
To: p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk
Subject: Climate data
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 19:20:50 -0700
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3)
X-Canit-CHI2: 0.00
X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN, f028)
X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Hold at 5.00] SPF(none,0)
X-CanItPRO-Stream: UEA:f028 (inherits from UEA:default,base:default)
X-Canit-Stats-ID: 22009039 - 2472d9aa9c08 (trained as not-spam)
X-Antispam-Training-Forget:
[5]https://canit.uea.ac.uk/b.php?i=22009039&m=2472d9aa9c08&c=f
X-Antispam-Training-Nonspam:
[6]https://canit.uea.ac.uk/b.php?i=22009039&m=2472d9aa9c08&c=n
X-Antispam-Training-Spam: [7]https://canit.uea.ac.uk/b.php?i=22009039&m=2472d9aa9c08&c=s
X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 139.222.131.185
Prof. Jones - Could you kindly provide an explanation for why you
refuse to give Steve McIntyre the data he requested? Thank you , Doug
Peters
At 14:10 12/05/2009, Palmer Dave Mr \(LIB\) wrote:

Reviewed the comments - was aware of the activity of Mr. Holland. I
think we would need to look at any new reques5st carefully to see if it
fit the statutory definition of a repeat request under s.14 of the Act.
It might be useful to have the other emails as well if, for example, we
wish to consider a claim for a vexatious request under s.14....
Cheers, Dave
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Phil Jones [[8] mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:00 PM
>To: Mcgarvie Michael Mr (ACAD)
>Cc: Dunford Simon Mr (MAC); Palmer Dave Mr (LIB)
>Subject: Re: FW: Data access - request from Ian Hinds
>
>
> Michael,
> If you think we need to respond to this nasty email, then you can.
> I've had two others overnight as well. I wasn't planning on
>responding to
> any of them - instead wait till the FOIs come.
> By the way, what they are requesting is the same as what they
> were after in 2007. My position is still the same. We replied through
> FOI then and can use the same responses now. I hope we can
> have some quick meetings.
>
> Cheers
> Phil
>
> PS to Michael/Dave - you might like to look at the link and
>to comment #17.
> It seems that out friend has 5 complaints in with the Information
>Commissioner!
>
>
>At 13:52 12/05/2009, Mcgarvie Michael Mr \(ACAD\) wrote:
>>Phil,
>>
>>Dave Palmer alerted me to the recent email to you. I asked his advice
>>on what advice/support we should give you. The view is that
>a response
>>acknowleding the email and saying that we await the formal
>FOISA request
>>should be sufficient. Simone Dunford from the Press Office
>is happy to
>>respond in this way if you would prefer it.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Michael
>>
>>Michael McGarvie
>>Director of Faculty Administration
>>Faculty of Science
>>Room 0.22B
>>University of East Anglia
>>Norwich NR4 7TJ
>>
>>tel: 01603 593229
>>fax: 01603 593045
>>
>>m.mcgarvie@uea.ac.uk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dunford Simon Mr (MAC)
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:54 AM
>>To: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB); Mcgarvie Michael Mr (ACAD)
>>Cc: Press Office; Colam Jonathan Mr (ISD)
>>Subject: RE: Data access
>>
>>Hi all
>>
>>I've had a brief discussion with Annie about this and we
>agree that any
>>response should simply acknowledge receipt of the email and state that
>>the FOI request will be dealt with in the normal manner when
>it arrives.
>>
>>
>>Perhaps Phil should be kept right out of it. I'm happy to respond on
>>Phil's behalf if you like.
>>
>>Simon
>>
>>Simon Dunford, Press Officer,
>>University of East Anglia,
>>Norwich, NR4 7TJ.
>>Tel:+44 (0)1603 592203
>>[9] www.uea.ac.uk/comm
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB) [[10] mailto:David.Palmer@uea.ac.uk]
>> >Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:45 AM
>> >To: Mcgarvie Michael Mr (ACAD)
>> >Cc: Press Office; Colam Jonathan Mr (ISD)
>> >Subject: RE: Data access
>> >
>> >Michael,
>> >The writer clearly indicates that a request is to come and
>I think that
>> >we should wait for that. The first question could be answered
>> >I suppose
>> >with a general statement regarding our processing of FOIA
>requests but
>> >clearly the second is unanswerable in any form that would not appear
>> >either provocative or slightly ludicrous.
>> >
>> >I would look to Annie or Simon for advice on a response from Phil
>> >directly - flame wars are dangerous things to get into and given the
>> >apparent antipathy to Phil by this person (and community),
>any response
>> >would (a) immediately get published and (b) likely be rubbished
>> >completely.
>> >
>> >I would very much recommend against any emotive response or internal
>> >correspondence with any declarations regarding other
>persons; opinions
>> >about other persons are the personal information of that person and
>> >liable to a data subject request under the Data Protection Act 1998.
>> >
>> >In terms of impact, what I don't know is the reach of the
>contributors
>> >to this site outside the climate research field, i.e. in the larger
>> >'media world'. I can state that the writer below is not
>> >someone that we
>> >have had dealings with in the past.
>> >
>> >Hope this helps move things along.
>> >
>> >Cheers, Dave
>> >
>> >Cc. JC for information
>> >
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: Mcgarvie Michael Mr (ACAD)
>> >>Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:03 AM
>> >>To: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB)
>> >>Cc: Press Office
>> >>Subject: RE: Data access
>> >>
>> >>Dave,
>> >>
>> >>Thanks for this.
>> >>
>> >>As a FOIA request will come on the back of it I suggest that
>> >>we wait for that to come. If you feel that Phil should not
>> >>respond to this but wait for the formal request could you let
>> >>him know please?
>> >>
>> >>Regards
>> >>
>> >>Michael
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Michael McGarvie
>> >>Director of Faculty Administration
>> >>Faculty of Science
>> >>Room 0.22B
>> >>University of East Anglia
>> >>Norwich NR4 7TJ
>> >>
>> >>tel: 01603 593229
>> >>fax: 01603 593045
>> >>
>> >>m.mcgarvie@uea.ac.uk
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB)
>> >>Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:56 AM
>> >>To: Mcgarvie Michael Mr (ACAD)
>> >>Cc: Press Office
>> >>Subject: FW: Data access
>> >>
>> >>Michael,
>> >>I am not sure whether this qualifies as a request and clearly
>> >>we should be expecting something more detailed in the near
>> >>future. The link is to an update from Mr. McIntyre on the
>> >>HadCRUT data that had been requested from us back in 2007.
>> >>The article clearly states an intent to make a FOIA request.
>> >>
>> >>Cheers, Dave
>> >>
>> >>Cc. Press Office for information
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: Ian Hinds [[11] mailto:ianh@orange.net]
>> >>Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:29 PM
>> >>To: Jones Philip Prof (ENV)
>> >>Cc: Briffa Keith Prof (ENV); Goodess Clare Dr (ENV);
>> >>chiefexec@rmets.org; Sheppard Sylv Miss (SCI); David Keith
>> >>Palmer; Carruth Geoffrey Mr (ACAD); Goodwin Nicholas Dr
>> >>(ACAD); Schofield Julie Ms (ACAD); Danino-Appleton Vittoria Dr
>> >>(ACAD); Johnson Sue Mrs (ACAD); Carter Jon Dr (ACAD); Press
>> >>Office; Ogden Annie Ms (MAC); Dunford Simon Mr (MAC); Bartman
>> >>Cat Ms (MAC); Horton Lisa Miss (MAC)
>> >>Subject: Data access
>> >>
>> >>Dear Mr Jones
>> >>
>> >>As a UK tax payer from the productive economy, could you
>> >>please explain
>> >>why you restrict access to data sets that are gathered using
>> >tax payer
>> >>funds e.g. CRUTEM3. Can you believe how embarassing this is to
>> >>a UK TAX
>> >>PAYER, putting up with your amateurish non disclosure of
>enviromental
>> >>information.
>> >>
>> >>For reference [12]http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=5962 refers to
>> >>your absymal
>> >>attitude to public data, although this is just the latest in an
>> >>embarassing set of reasonable requests from CRU, who the
>hell do you
>> >>think you are? There will of course be an FOI on the back of this
>> >>
>> >>Regards
>> >>Ian
>> >>
>> >
>
>Prof. Phil Jones
>Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
>School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
>University of East Anglia
>Norwich Email p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk
>NR4 7TJ
>UK
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>-------------
>
>
>

Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jonesatXYZxyz.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

No comments:

Post a Comment